[PGT] Flames lose in OT: Season Over

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Hope Kylington and Tkachuk get their big raise elsewhere!

I wonder if any of the Flames say they hope you get a big raise to go work for Fox Sports.

[browna]

Originally Posted by chedder

While I agree the league robbed us of a chance to go to game 6, that's a lot of if's.

Not ifs, just pointing out a believable scenario. Bottom line, for all the huge stats the Oilers racked up, games 2,4,5 it was a one goal game or less at some point in the last 10 minutes of the third. Flames won none of those 3 games. Two games they had goals called back in error in that same time frame.

Get to game 6 with the correct call on Coleman goal, still not play much better or have any better individual stats in the game, but get to the last 10 minutes again tied, and this time get a bounce to go their way, and it’s game 7. Rinse and repeat for Game 7, for a nervous Oilers team ready to blow the series.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I literally translated the percentages into the impact on goals, in numbers. Not sure how that is glib. You are the one discounting a system you don't appear to care to understand and go by the "feels" you get from the plays you remember.

Because that wasn’t the question. How do each of those factors quantify into high danger? Are they assigned values? I doubt it.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because that wasn’t the question. How do each of those factors quantify into high danger? Are they assigned values? I doubt it.

Well that's exactly what they do, but you don't believe their methodology which is absolutely your choice.

I will never agree that a save percentage of .852 is good enough and gives the team a chance to win.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Well that's exactly what they do, but you don't believe their methodology which is absolutely your choice.

I will never agree that a save percentage of .852 is good enough and gives the team a chance to win.

And I asked how they do that in their methodology, which you can’t answer. How does a deflected shot translate into a high danger chance stat. They say they account for it. OK, how?

Your problem is that you think save% is a solely individual stat.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And I asked how they do that in their methodology, which you can’t answer. How does a deflected shot translate into a high danger chance stat. They say they account for it. OK, how?

Your problem is that you think save% is a solely individual stat.

If course I can't tell you, that's their proprietary data, unless they do post it and I just haven't seen it. Oddly enough all the places that do this work come to the same conclusion, that Markstrom was downright bad in this series.

I think it's you that doesn't understand what these numbers are. Their entire reason for being is to try and separate the team component of save percentage from the individual performance.

All season long these numbers indicated Markstrom was sheltered by the Flames excellent defensive structure. We just saw what happens to him when that defensive structure fails.

To your point earlier, these numbers also indicate that Smith wasn't great this series either, he just wasn't as bad as Markstrom who was downright terrible. Which is why I say Smith outplayed Markstrom.

[heep223]

The blown call resulted in the series not going back north for game 6, where who knows what would happen. I do firmly believe the dynamics of the series, the two teams, and the league influenced that decision.

Does anyone think that goal would have been overturned if the teams were switched? Not a ####ing chance.

You need irrefutable evidence to overturn a call on the ice (which was GOAL). Can anyone say with a straight face that it was irrefutably kicked in vs it being very much a debate?

Completely blown call. Refs were crap all series, league should be absolutely embarrassed.

[Gaskal]

Poor Marty Gelinas lol... has to be on the team for all three "it was in" moments.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by heep223

The blown call resulted in the series not going back north for game 6, where who knows what would happen. I do firmly believe the dynamics of the series, the two teams, and the league influenced that decision.

Does anyone think that goal would have been overturned if the teams were switched? Not a ####ing chance.

You need irrefutable evidence to overturn a call on the ice (which was GOAL). Can anyone say with a straight face that it was irrefutably kicked in vs it being very much a debate?

Completely blown call. Refs were crap all series, league should be absolutely embarrassed.

The league got exactly what they wanted, so they won't givenut a second thought.

[Squirrel]

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a victim* mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a loser mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

Dumb take.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a loser mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

A whole lot of truth in this. I'd call it a victim mentality more than "loser' personally.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a loser mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

I agree about the league conspiracy against Calgary being silly, but your comment about a call or non-call is also silly. It was a one goal game and that call changed the score by one goal. It changed the outcome. A call was made that was totally inconsistent with the general application of the rule and the result changed the outcome of the game and eliminated a team that otherwise would have had at least one more game. A single call or non-call can obviously make a very big difference in sports.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a victim* mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

Bull####. The fix was in.

[PuckDemon]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a victim* mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

EDITED: JohnnyB already said it better than I could have above.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Might be sacrilege to say, but Sutter got out-coached by Woodcroft.

Easy to say, but you can't be a good coach if your players don't execute. And if you have the second best goalie, there is really nothing you can do.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Easy to say, but you can't be a good coach if your players don't execute. And if you have the second best goalie, there is really nothing you can do.

You could use your other goalie. That’s something a coach can do.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

There is no league conspiracy to favour the Oilers / screw the Flames but I guess believing that helps some people handle the loss.
And blaming the refs is a victim* mentality. If your hold on a game is so tenuous that a call or non-call can change the outcome then that’s on you.

Use of the word “conspiracy” is an intentional descriptor to side step what is obvious to pretty much everyone except those uncomfortable with certain obvious reality. The league wanted one team to advance and not the other team. It’s clear as day actually and to head in the sands this one and pretend there something isn’t at play here is as equally stupid as those claiming there is bias against the Flames.

If you watch those videos of the other goals that counted and then the Coleman goal and come to different conclusions about what should or shouldn’t count you are a liar, full stop. Nothing differentiates the valid goals vs. the Coleman disallowed goal in fact if anything the Coleman goal is less obvious than the other ones. So to sit there and cat call fans as “conspiracy theorists” in a disallowed goal in one of the most intense biggest moments in the franchise in 31 years for the Battle of Alberta is stupidity of the highest order, sorry.

League’s rigged. For financial reasons it wanted McDavid and Mackinnon. Not really much to argue here honestly so your post comes across as that contrarian guy who’s being contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian or collecting likes because nobody wants to admit the product they’re watching is more like the WWE and sports cosplay than real authentic sports where teams are officiated equally. To be honest at this point the deniers that there’s an issue are almost more of the conspiracy theorists based in another reality than those that are calling out the league for the insanely obvious bias.

I did expect some fans to try and pretend there isn’t a problem though, there always are those folks that simply refuse to admit there is a problem when there is one because it’s a safe comfortable position that will inevitably collect a few likes.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I agree about the league conspiracy against Calgary being silly, but your comment about a call or non-call is also silly. It was a one goal game and that call changed the score by one goal. It changed the outcome. A call was made that was totally inconsistent with the general application of the rule and the result changed the outcome of the game and eliminated a team that otherwise would have had at least one more game. A single call or non-call can obviously make a very big difference in sports.

Correct but you delicately try to side step the obvious question. Why did they do this?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Correct but you delicately try to side step the obvious question. Why did they do this?

For Mackinnon vs McDavid. The NHL as been billing the next round like a boxing fight between the 2 since Aves moved on. Edmonton vs Avalanche is in very small writing on any advertisement.