[Rumour] Could Calgary trade for New Jersey Devil's 2nd overall pick?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...box=1653522766

If the Flames are actually entertaining trading Tkachuk I would way rather have Treliving sniffing around Ottawa. Perhaps something around

7th overall and Stutzle for Tkachuk and Monahan with the Flames eating 50% of Monahan next year.

Won’t be Stutzle. Would be Norris imo. That or a blue chip prospect like Sanderson + Formenton/Greig. Ottawa has the assets

[Kovaz]

Tkachuk for picks/prospects does make some sense even in the short term. Without Tkachuk to consider, we could almost keep the whole rest of the team even without dumping Monahan or Lucic.


Could be a fast re-tool. If we could scrape by next year without paying assets to dump cap, having $11M+ to chase a big fish in free agency and make a push in 2023-24. Some big names hit UFA that year (MacKinnon, Huberdeau, Pastrnak, Larkin, Horvat).


We're stuck between a rock and a hard place next year - either a one-line team with significantly worse depth, or gutting the top line that carried the offence. But I'd hate to see a one-year cap crunch turn into a multi-year mistake.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I hate doing trade proposals, but I don't think that would be something Treliving would entertain.

I think it would be more along the lines of Tkachuk + Kylington for Chabot + Batherson and whatever other small pieces are needed to even it out, if any.

Your proposal would be good too. I just thought if the Sens want to be better next year immediately they probably don’t want to do a player for player trade. They could market the Tkachuk brothers in a town where they are lucky to get 14,000 paying fans when fans can attend. And Monahan has a local connection and at 3.2 million a year if he bounces back could be good value. For the Flames it opens up cap space next year before the second contract for Stutzle kicks in. Seemed to match Sens need to be better in the short term and potentially a Flames desire to re-sign guys like Johnny, Mangiapane, Gudbranson and Jarnkrok.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...box=1653522766

If the Flames are actually entertaining trading Tkachuk I would way rather have Treliving sniffing around Ottawa. Perhaps something around

7th overall and Stutzle for Tkachuk and Monahan with the Flames eating 50% of Monahan next year.

I can get down with a Ottawa trade and the 7th for one of their studly young guys for sure.

I think you overrate Tkachuk though.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I don't want to pay Tkachuk too much, but bad trades are worse than over paying him.
Ottawa would be the team to trade to as they'd likely offer above market value to have the brothers.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You ain’t getting Stutzle and a high pick for Tkachuk and a salary dump

That’s laughable

The Sens are the team that traded a young Zibanajed for Brassard because they did not want to pay Zibanajed. Living in Ottawa they are desperate to actually be a contender given that nobody wants to drive 45 minutes to see a bad team. They actually don’t have years to wait and Tkachuk is a 100 point guy. There is a reason beyond just being dumb that they traded a 3rd round pick for Hamonic. You may have to eat a million on Tkachuk’s salary as well but you could do a trade like that given the local dynamics. We had a client this year with a box and there were games where they could not give the seats away. A splash like Tkachuk could sell them an extra 500-1000 season tickets, which for Melnyk’s beneficiaries would be quite helpful.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Sens are the team that traded a young Zibanajed for Brassard because they did not want to pay Zibanajed. Living in Ottawa they are desperate to actually be a contender given that nobody wants to drive 45 minutes to see a bad team. They actually don’t have years to wait and Tkachuk is a 100 point guy. There is a reason beyond just being dumb that they traded a 3rd round pick for Hamonic. You may have to eat a million on Tkachuk’s salary as well but you could do a trade like that given the local dynamics. We had a client this year with a box and there were games where they could not give the seats away. A splash like Tkachuk could sell them an extra 500-1000 season tickets, which for Melnyk’s beneficiaries would be quite helpful.

Oh I am all for trading for Tkachuk for Ottawa. It’s annoying to have Brady keep cheering for the Flames
I think a fair deal would be Tkachuk for Stutzle or Chabot. No need to add the high first

But no complain if they are desperate or stupid

[Mr.Coffee]

Stutzle for Tkachuk straight up is not fair, Ottawa has to add. Maybe a 2nd at least, or another good roster player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...box=1653522766

If the Flames are actually entertaining trading Tkachuk I would way rather have Treliving sniffing around Ottawa. Perhaps something around

7th overall and Stutzle for Tkachuk and Monahan with the Flames eating 50% of Monahan next year.

Stulzle and the 7OA will bring you much more than one year of Tkachuk, even without saddling them with Monny.

Stulzle is just starting to hit his stride, they aren’t moving him at this stage.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I hate doing trade proposals, but I don't think that would be something Treliving would entertain.

I think it would be more along the lines of Tkachuk + Kylington for Chabot + Batherson and whatever other small pieces are needed to even it out, if any.

Treliving would jump at this trade.

The Sens want to move the 7OA for immediate help.

They aren’t looking to gut their team by trading their best core players.

If Tkachuk will play for Ottawa, they can wait a year and get him for free, and not give up a couple of foundation pieces

[BlindMilwaukee]

Is anyone here as high on Tyler Boucher as Ottawa is?
Something like Norris + Boucher + draft pick for Chucky?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Treliving would jump at this trade.

The Sens want to move the 7OA for immediate help.

They aren’t looking to gut their team by trading their best core players.

If Tkachuk will play for Ottawa, they can wait a year and get him for free, and not give up a couple of foundation pieces

That is assuming that Matthew wants to play a year without a long term contract so that he can move to Ottawa. I suspect that he signs a long term deal this summer somewhere.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Stutzle for Tkachuk straight up is not fair, Ottawa has to add. Maybe a 2nd at least, or another good roster player.

Sens would not trade Stulzle for one year of Tkachuk.

You may need to look at Stulzle a little more closely. He’s just 20 and came on strong last year. He’s not going anywhere.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Treliving would jump at this trade.

The Sens want to move the 7OA for immediate help.

They aren’t looking to gut their team by trading their best core players.

If Tkachuk will play for Ottawa, they can wait a year and get him for free, and not give up a couple of foundation pieces

It's a hockey trade and makes sense for both teams.

Waiting for player you want comes with risk, so if you can get him right away you get on it, not wait and try to out bid other teams. For all they know he'd already be traded and signed long term with another team by then, or signed long term by Calgary.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is assuming that Matthew wants to play a year without a long term contract so that he can move to Ottawa. I suspect that he signs a long term deal this summer somewhere.

Regardless, if the Flames trade him, they trade one year of control.

They aren’t getting a young superstar type player like Stulzle.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

If anyone here as high on Tyler Boucher as Ottawa is?
Something like Norris + Boucher + draft pick for Chucky?

Boucher was pretty mediocre this year. Almost every forward drafted below him in the first round had a better year this year than he did.

[kyuss275]

Don’t know why devils would trade the #2 pick with cost controlled franchise players on the board? But if for some reason they want to then yes I would trade Mathew for #2 pick

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Stutzle for Tkachuk straight up is not fair, Ottawa has to add. Maybe a 2nd at least, or another good roster player.

Stutzle ‘s 2nd year was better than Tkachuk’s second year

I don’t think they would be much of an add if any

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Don’t know why devils would trade the #2 pick with cost controlled franchise players on the board? But if for some reason they want to then yes I would trade Mathew for #2 pick

Because a 2nd overall pick doesn’t guarantee anything and is 2-3 years away from contributing

Look at the last few drafts and the top picks . None of them are close to MTproduction

The biggest Q is does a team think MT can carry a line and be a 90 pt guy or is he a 65-70 pt guy without JG

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Boucher was pretty mediocre this year. Almost every forward drafted below him in the first round had a better year this year than he did.

Boucher was more than just mediocre. He was terrible.