They do have a special tactics division on the police force, but they refused to go in, but a single border patrol guy went in alone and killed the shooter?
If you have 4 cops, you have to go in. You can't wait at that point.
No, none of what you said was remotely correct.
The border patrol agent to kill him was part of the border patrol tactical unit, their version of SWAT, and likely the reason for the wait to get them on scene and prepared. Many of the officers standing around were border patrol agents. And he was just one of many who stormed the classrooms.
I mean when asked about abortions in cases of rape he did say Texas was going to "eliminate rape" so there would be no victims of rape. Promising to get rapists off the streets.
I don't think he understands that someone isn't a rapist until AFTER they rape someone.
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It's amazing how much money GOP politicians want to throw at security for schools, armed guards, security windows/doors, etc. Aren't they supposed to be fiscally conservative? Uh huh...
The federal government needs to do something using the IRS to tax the crap out of bullets and guns in the states. I'm sure Biden can use executive powers like that moron Trump did. If they used a program to raise the the drinking age to 21 across every state a long time ago, surely they can do something here. Make gun users have insurance. Cancel the export permits for every gun manufacturer in the US. Change regulations like they did for planes after 9/11. Negotiate border security with GOP for internal security. Throw anything at the wall and see what sticks.
Just do something to reduce the gun owning epidemic and gun using epidemic in the states.
^^ I don't disagree with any of the above, making it extremely difficult to purchase any type of gun is a no brainer. Background checks, waiting periods, some type of graduated ownership program where you start with a long arm .22 and can be gradually "moved up the scale" to be able to purchase "something better" (so you can't go buy an AR on your 18th birthday), mandatory training courses etc.... None of these would go against any second amendment rights.
I believe the biggest problem are the estimated (close to) 400,000,000 guns already in circulation, how is this problem solved? Would a buy back program get a 1/4 of them off the street? If so that would still leave 300,000,000 guns in the hands of the public.
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It's amazing how much money GOP politicians want to throw at security for schools, armed guards, security windows/doors, etc. Aren't they supposed to be fiscally conservative? Uh huh...
The federal government needs to do something using the IRS to tax the crap out of bullets and guns in the states. I'm sure Biden can use executive powers like that moron Trump did. If they used a program to raise the the drinking age to 21 across every state a long time ago, surely they can do something here. Make gun users have insurance. Cancel the export permits for every gun manufacturer in the US. Change regulations like they did for planes after 9/11. Negotiate border security with GOP for internal security. Throw anything at the wall and see what sticks.
Just do something to reduce the gun owning epidemic and gun using epidemic in the states.
Fiscal conservativism has been a myth in North America for a long time. Look at Alberta we had to elect socialists to get a whiff of fiscal responsibility beyond a 6 month horizon, and all we did is complain that they wanted us to pay for the things we wanted, and sent $1.5B pipeline boy to replace them.
This is hard to listen to. Why does a girl inside a school in that situation have to call 911 multiple times asking the police to help? Why is once not enough? I can't believe the length of time it took before somebody did something to help those poor kids and teachers. Unbelievable.
Seeing it written out shows just how insane the response was:
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Students who were in the classroom with the gunman called 911 several times, including a lengthy call during which some shooting and other sounds of the attack could be heard, according to Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Mr. McCraw described the calls this way at a news conference Friday:
A caller identified — I will not say her name, but she was in room 112 — called 911 at 12:03. The duration of the call, was 1 minute and 23 seconds. She identified herself and whispered she’s in room 112.
At 12:10, she called back, in room 112, advised there are multiple dead.
At 12:13, again, she called on the phone.
Again at 12:16, she’s called back and said there was eight to nine students alive.
At 12:19, a 911 call was made, and another person in room 111 called. I will not say her name. She hung up when another student told her to hang up.
At 12:21, you could hear over the 911 call that three shots were fired.
At 12:36, a 911 call, it lasted for 21 seconds. The initial caller called back. The student-child called back, and was told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She told 911 that he shot the door.
At approximately 12:43 and 12:47, she asked 911 to please send the police now.
At 12:46, she said she not could not—— that she could hear the police next door.
At 12:50, shots are fired, they can be heard over the 911 call.
At 12:51, it’s very loud, and sounds like officers are moving children out of the room. At that time, the first child that called was outside before the call cuts off.
I have been sad about this, and after reading this, my sadness has turned into extreme anger. Angry at how the police's response to this. I cannot imagine how that little girl must be feeling, calling for help multiple times and hope the police, some one will come and rescues or help her, and there is nothing.
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But what are the cops armed with? Haven’t seen that mentioned too much. That’s the thing with these ARs, they are a quick discharge weapon.
Even if the officers didn't want to go in, the Border Patrol tactical unit was there for about 40 minutes before they entered the school, but the local police wouldn't let them in:
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When specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, the local police at the scene would not allow them to go after the gunman who had opened fire on students inside the school, according to two officials briefed on the situation.
The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.
The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.
Eventually after waiting for half an hour they ignored the local police and went in on their own:
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Federal agents who went to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday to confront a gunman who killed 19 children were told by local police to wait and not enter the school — and then decided after about half an hour to ignore that initial guidance and find the shooter, say two senior federal law enforcement officials.
The whole god damned mess is absolutely infuriating. Seeing Ted Cruz's face parroting their tired lines about "media/democrats/politics" was pathetic. Seeing that kid talk to the reporter on the CBC website is heartbreaking beyond words. I am sickened by this event and the USA in general.
I thought after columbine the whole stand around while people get murdered thing was abandoned. Isn’t the MO of every police force to now enter the building asap?
I thought after columbine the whole stand around while people get murdered thing was abandoned. Isn’t the MO of every police force to now enter the building asap?
Not if they think it is a hostage situation. Read OptimalTates posts above which go into detail.
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Uvalde might need to replace it's entire police department. I don't know how you can keep any of them knowing the entire town will permanently associate them with allowing this to happen, it would be a pretty untenable situation.
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That’s the problem with these shootings, every time one happens the narrative gets changed as to what gets talked about, cops not doing their jobs for example.
This shooter was a real sicko who shouldn’t have had those weapons in the first place, what he did is unfathomable and that’s what should be the focus on so it won’t happen again.
