Kicking motion

[Jiggy_12]

It’s interesting to me that almost everyone in the hockey world thinks it’s a good goal, except for a few Rogers Sportsnet employees. How strange ��

[activeStick]

I always had a feeling that a bad call would impact the Flames at some point in the playoffs. It's really too bad that it happened vs the Oilers.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I always had a feeling that a bad call would impact the Flames at some point in the playoffs. It's really too bad that it happened vs the Oilers.

The bad call on the "kicked goal" was a drop in the bucket. What was with all those 4 on 4's in the first round against Dallas? How about in Game 2 against the Oilers just how one sided that game was reffed in the other's favour. Countless weak calls early on the games that put the Oilers on power plays. Tkachuk a ghost late in the series because he knew based on his reputation he would be in the box with any hits, same as Lucic. Allow the Flames to play their style with a healthy Tanev on an even officiating playing field and this series isn't even close. Markstrom wasn't as great as we know he can be but I don't think Smith was that much better.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I always had a feeling that a bad call would impact the Flames at some point in the playoffs. It's really too bad that it happened vs the Oilers.

Honestly does that surprise you?

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Stream it either way so there won't be any ad revenue generated

I may have to look into some streaming sites! Or just stick to condensed youtube games..

[CaptainCrunch]

I think I said it before.

In game 1 the Flames came out physical and hitting. In game two they came out physical and hitting and then the parade started happening, and after that the Flames went to the whole non contact hockey the world loved. I think it even showed up for the stats that after game 3 the hitting war was pretty much non existent.

What utterly pissed me off is watching JP tackling a flame no where near the puck and no call. Oilers taking their hand off the stick and grabbing, the non called high stick last night and others. The kick was the icing on the cake.

The Flames didn't play well, but it didn't help that it was almost constantly a 7 on 5 situation for the Flames with the refs and the Oilers on the ice.

I still imagine that during that goal the people in the video review board sitting around wearing their Oiler jerseys and just itching for a chance to shift the series, and when they did it was high fives all around.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'd love to see Tre come out on the final interview of the season throw a bag of cash on the table (you know with the dollar sign on it) and say, "hey the Oilers whined about the reffing all year and look at what happened in this series, so here's my big old bag of fine money." then let the league have it.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think I said it before.

In game 1 the Flames came out physical and hitting. In game two they came out physical and hitting and then the parade started happening, and after that the Flames went to the whole non contact hockey the world loved. I think it even showed up for the stats that after game 3 the hitting war was pretty much non existent.

What utterly pissed me off is watching JP tackling a flame no where near the puck and no call. Oilers taking their hand off the stick and grabbing, the non called high stick last night and others. The kick was the icing on the cake.

The Flames didn't play well, but it didn't help that it was almost constantly a 7 on 5 situation for the Flames with the refs and the Oilers on the ice.

I still imagine that during that goal the people in the video review board sitting around wearing their Oiler jerseys and just itching for a chance to shift the series, and when they did it was high fives all around.

Don't forget the Zadorov getting tripped driving to the net, no call. Mangiapane getting tripped right beside the net, no call but when Drysaityl toe picks along the boards the Flames got to the box.
NHL got what they wanted.

[dissentowner]

The goal was good and the series was seriously called one sided. We knew that was going to happen though, if anyone thinks the NHL doesn't want their most marketable player to advance over another small market Canadian team I have some tropical beachfront property to sell you in Greenland. Politics are definitely a thing in pro sports.

[KipperFaNaTic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Here's to me the piss off.

Goal is scored - Good goal by the on ice officials

Edmonton doesn't challenge it

League calls in, takes like 8 minutes of pain staking review and slow down and conversations (I think it was 8 minutes but wasn't holding a stop watch).

Look to me if you need to take 8 minutes to review, you're looking for reasons to over turn it, and making up a narrative. I think there needs to be a timer on the review. If you can't decide in a minute of two of video you're looking for something that is so inconsequential that its making shyte up.

I'm still baffled at Coleman's atheletisms, after trying to avoice a collision mostly with a goalie where he foot hits the pad and its now in the air, and he's literally leaning away and going across the crease on one foot, he managed a distinctive kicking motion with the only foot that was on the ice.

That's amazing balls, the Bolshoi ballet levels of body control and skill. Its literally equivalent to crossing a rope hoping on one foot while bouncing a ball on your nose.

Amazing.

I mean again, its still likely that the Flames lose the series, the Oilers or more specifically Conna and Leon played really well, the Flames played a pretty poor series.

But FFS league to deny a team a chance at extending a series due to sheer $$$kery and incompetence is incomprehensible.

I mean it feels like at the same time that the Oilers were celebrating on the ice in overtime, the Video review department and the League were exchanging high fives in the background.

I've said that the media should get access to the referees after games.


Or at the end of the season the head of officiating has to spend time with the media reviewing the year.

There's no accountability. The officiating crew from last night will cash their Bonus and get gift cards to Bed Breakfeast and beyond.

And the League and Sportsnet get their neato story about Conna and Leon.

I'm glad I don't have to watch the panel or hockey against for probably 8 months to a year.


And finally Fire Ron MacLean.

He was defending us hard alongside Elliotte Friedman. Ron Mclean even broke from professional conduct and clearly stated that he wanted the Flames to win in OT for justice.

Why the hate?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Skaloper

The bad call on the "kicked goal" was a drop in the bucket. What was with all those 4 on 4's in the first round against Dallas?

Let's not lose credibility for a very valid complaint over a call that cost us a winning goal by conflating it with playing 4 on 4 too much against a team we should have had a distinct advantage playing 4 on 4.

[bigpete]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...was-unanimous/

Apparently it was a unanimous decision in Toronto from all 4 video reviewers. How does that happen when 95% of the rest of the hockey world thinks it was a brutal travesty of a call.

Complete BS.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by bigpete

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...was-unanimous/

Apparently it was a unanimous decision in Toronto from all 4 video reviewers. How does that happen when 95% of the rest of the hockey world thinks it was a brutal travesty of a call.

Complete BS.

We always try to draw upon consistency and, 'is there any way we can allow this.'

Bwa ha ha ha

Oh wait, they're serious.

BWA HA HA

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by bigpete

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...was-unanimous/

Apparently it was a unanimous decision in Toronto from all 4 video reviewers. How does that happen when 95% of the rest of the hockey world thinks it was a brutal travesty of a call.

Complete BS.

Unanimous? That’s even less believable now. Clearly there was a directive from above. There is no chance 4/4 people unanimously thought it was no goal when 95% of the world says it was good. No chance.

And they say when a review is called for they have to be impartial? Who exactly called for the review? Has that been addressed yet?

There should honestly be an investigation in to this, but I am unsure who or what would be able to do that. There just isn’t accountability, sadly

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Bwa ha ha ha

Oh wait, they're serious.

BWA HA HA

“Is there any way we can allow this?”

Shouldn’t it be “is there any way we can disallow this?”

Innocent until proven guilty, not when you’re up against McDavid I guess

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by bigpete

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...was-unanimous/

Apparently it was a unanimous decision in Toronto from all 4 video reviewers. How does that happen when 95% of the rest of the hockey world thinks it was a brutal travesty of a call.

Complete BS.

Are they serious?

"Last night it was unanimous amongst the four of us, the puck was pushed over the line in intentional fashion," explained Mike Murphy, the NHL’s senior vice-president of hockey operations.

"You can stop a puck into the net and you can redirect it into the net, but you can't drag or push a puck into the net. We saw him pushing the puck into the net."

For the millionth time: INTENT IS NOT THE RULE. PUSHING IS NOT THE RULE. THE RULE IS WHETHER THERE IS A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION.

I’m over the call but they obviously need to fix it because they’re either wrong or they’ve changed the rule without telling anyone else.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

This part is truly bewildering.

"Last night it was unanimous amongst the four of us, the puck was pushed over the line in intentional fashion," explained Mike Murphy, the NHL’s senior vice-president of hockey operations.

"You can stop a puck into the net and you can redirect it into the net, but you can't drag or push a puck into the net. We saw him pushing the puck into the net."

It makes zero sense. Both from a rules perspective and based on the events we saw on the ice. There’s not way any sane person thinks that the primary momentum of that puck that propelled it into the net was from Coleman’s skate.

And then this from Campbell:

"We felt there was a distinct kicking motion and he propelled the puck deliberately into the net.

There's no such thing as, 'the blade has to be on the ice.' You can kick a puck without taking your foot off the ice.”

This is just nonsensical gobbledy####. It’s the kind of contradictory doublespeak that people who are lying use when they want to obfuscate the truth.

[Jiggy_12]

I’d also still love to hear the explanation as to how you either “kick” or do any intentional movement with ONE BLOODY SKATE on the ice?

That’s how you break an ankle, and launch your face in to the crossbar

For a bunch of former referees who literally skated professionally, for a career…there are just no words

[Flames0910]

"Last night it was unanimous amongst the four of us, the puck was pushed over the line in intentional fashion," explained Mike Murphy, the NHL’s senior vice-president of hockey operations.

"You can stop a puck into the net and you can redirect it into the net, but you can't drag or push a puck into the net. We saw him pushing the puck into the net."

Have they even read the rulebook? This was the subject of the CBC panel too and it's misinformation at best.

I 100% agree that it was intentional, and if that was the standard then there would be no controversy. Coleman wanted to that puck to go in and he worked really hard to ensure that it did go in the net because he's a good ####ing hockey player and that's what good hockey players do.

But he didn't distinctly kick it in because that's against the rules and he obviously knows that along with the rest of the world.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by bigpete

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...was-unanimous/

Apparently it was a unanimous decision in Toronto from all 4 video reviewers. How does that happen when 95% of the rest of the hockey world thinks it was a brutal travesty of a call.

Complete BS.

if anything this is the part that gets me...


"It goes without saying we try to keep the passion out. I know it's tough and it was a close one, and I can assure you if the decision goes the other way there are just as many people upset 200 miles north of you."

well I'm not so sure, seeing as no-one was clamouring for a challenge, the play wasn't challenged, the Edmonton radio announcers thought the challenge was for offsides etc


so no there would not have been just as many people upset if you hadn't reviewed, or decided differently on a play that wasn't screaming for a review, and for which the call on the ice was goal