Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick and sign and trade Tkachuk to Arizona for the #3 pick. Would be one way to speed up a rebuild

There is no rebuild coming in the near future, why are some fans still thinking this is a remote possibility? The team is coming off a division title and has Darryl Sutter as head coach, what makes anyone realistically think they are going to blow it up?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is no rebuild coming in the near future, why are some fans still thinking this is a remote possibility? The team is coming off a division title and has Darryl Sutter as head coach, what makes anyone realistically think they are going to blow it up?

Even if Gaudreau doesn’t resign and Tkachuk chooses to only sign his offer/whatever, they aren’t rebuilding while having Markstrom and Sutter.

We wait and see what Gaudreau does and go from there.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Sign and trade Gaudreau for the #2 pick and sign and trade Tkachuk to Arizona for the #3 pick. Would be one way to speed up a rebuild

You do understand that Johnny will get a full NTC in any contract he signs.

We aren't getting the #2 pick for a UFA.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why would NJ trade the #2 overall pick instead of just signing JG?

And why would JG sign with Calgary just to be traded and see the team he is getting traded to give up an asset instead of just signing with that team.

The only possible reason for a sign and trade is getting the 8th year for a team the player want to goes too/knows they will be signing with.

That's not going to get you the #2 pick

Yea it's the most unlikely scenario really, and with a NTC likely part of any deal it's not gonna happen.

[Shazam]

Only Calgary can sign him for the 8 year contract. That can lower the AAV quite a bit.

[Hack&Lube]

My biggest concern with Mangiapane is if this season was a flash in the pan. Pure goal scorers can be streaky.

At this point, I'd rather look to prospects to replace that secondary scoring and use the money to re-sign Zadorov than pay $5M. Mangiapane's agent will probably ask for $6!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

because he played mostly against the McDavid line with .852 goaltending

What about against Dallas? He was a -6 against the Oilers and a -5 against the Stars.

Hanifin is a regular season Dman and I don’t think he does anything particular special either. Selling high on him could be a good move. Kylington is basically a smaller, more skilled and tenacious version of Hanifin anyway. Team could honestly use some bigger Dmen with more poise and the ability to take a hit to make a play which is what they lacked in this series. The Oilers and the Stars really ran roughshod over our backend with this playoffs.

[Shazam]

Hanifin is 25. For crying out loud don't trade him.

[calgaryred]

Is July 1st still the first day to sign a UFA

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

My biggest concern with Mangiapane is if this season was a flash in the pan. Pure goal scorers can be streaky.

At this point, I'd rather look to prospects to replace that secondary scoring and use the money to re-sign Zadorov than pay $5M. Mangiapane's agent will probably ask for $6!

No way this season was a flash in the pan for the bread eater. This guy earns everything he gets through blood, sweat and tears. His talent was evident dating all the way back to his camp in Penticton.

He’d be worth every penny in the 5 range in my opinion. He may not always get you 30 every year, but high 20’s and 50+ points is very much possible. Plus, he’s a gamer in the playoffs, his line was easily the best line for the team in the playoffs. It’s not even a question for me, he’s a core piece.

[Nammer403]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

Is July 1st still the first day to sign a UFA

i dont know if anythings changed but

Wednesday, July 13 - RFA/UFA Signing Period Begins (12 p.m. ET)

https://www.nhl.com/news/critical-da...pa/c-326439940

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Tkachuk for Chabot?

I don’t want to trade Tkachuk for a guy making $8M.

I would be looking at Stutzle, Sanderson, or maybe the 7th pick + if we are moving Chucky to Ottawa. I want a top prospect who is on an elc back over an expensive vet.

This is a bad draft from what I have read so the 7th pick is not as enticing to me this year as it would be in others

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is no rebuild coming in the near future, why are some fans still thinking this is a remote possibility? The team is coming off a division title and has Darryl Sutter as head coach, what makes anyone realistically think they are going to blow it up?

Or should!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is no rebuild coming in the near future, why are some fans still thinking this is a remote possibility? The team is coming off a division title and has Darryl Sutter as head coach, what makes anyone realistically think they are going to blow it up?

I agree even if Johnny walks and Chucky asks out I would be surprised if they went full rebuild. They could do a hockey deal for Chucky and try and sign Forsberg. I believe they would do that before going full rebuild.

I think people see what McDavid just did to us and see Bedard as the next one and we would all love to have him. I just don’t see a realistic path to getting him but I truly think that is why there is a cry to rebuild. Bedard may be the next generational talent who can turn a franchise around.

Just like the cup though only 1 team gets him and the Flames are not positioned to be in the running without massive unrealistic cuts to the organization

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Hanifin is a regular season Dman and I don’t think he does anything particular special either. Selling high on him could be a good move. Kylington is basically a smaller, more skilled and tenacious version of Hanifin anyway.

I just don't agree with this at all. IMO Hanafin is twice the D-man Kylington is at this point. Without Tanev, Kylington is absolutely lost in his own end. The guy is supposed to be a great skater, sure he his fast but damn is he weak on his edges and falls all over the place. He is weak in general and often over powered by guys who look smaller than him. He loses most puck battles and doesn't make up for it with his stick. He has got to be one of the worst stick handlers I have seen at the NHL lvl, constantly bobbling the puck, flubbing passes and make just straight up bone head decisions with the puck. He is fast and shows some flashes of offense. Tanev turns him into a serviceable top 4 defenseman. Without Tanev I thought he was the worst player on the ice in playoffs.

Hanifin is not perfect, but is a better skater, is more cerebral therefore making better decisions in his own end, better first pass and doesn't need a stalwart veteren defensemen known for making his partner better, to make him a top 4 d-man. Do I wish he had a better shot and was more physical? absolutely! But IMO Kylington doesn't hold a candle to Hanifin, nor are they very similar.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

What about against Dallas? He was a -6 against the Oilers and a -5 against the Stars.

Hanifin is a regular season Dman and I don’t think he does anything particular special either. Selling high on him could be a good move. Kylington is basically a smaller, more skilled and tenacious version of Hanifin anyway. Team could honestly use some bigger Dmen with more poise and the ability to take a hit to make a play which is what they lacked in this series. The Oilers and the Stars really ran roughshod over our backend with this playoffs.

This makes no sense to me. You want a bigger better defense and your solution is to trade away our biggest top 4 defender that Sutter trusted with the hardest match ups?

Like Kylington and Andersson were disasters this series, they continually lose their guy, get out muscled in front of the net, and both made bizarre choices/mistakes on odd man rushes.

It was abundantly clear that Sutter had zero faith in Kylington without Tanev propping him up and you want to put our smallest D in the #1 position?

[Vinny01]

Not the right thread for it but had the Flames been able to pull of the Hampus Lindholm trade I wonder how he and Tanev would have done in this series against McDavid and Co.?

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Keep Lindholm, Backlund, Jarnkrok, Dube, Coleman, see what Lewis wants. Toffoli was a disappointment in the POs but he's not that expensive and he can be better IMO.

Can't re-sign Z though I'm happy with him. Re-sign Gud, Stone. I think you keep Hanifin despite a poor PO, and you keep Rasmus, Tanev, Kylington, and hope that the farm kids take more steps.

Goalies stay the same unless Wolf forces the hand.

Jarnkrok is a free agent - let him walk. I think Flames are better with Ruzicka as a 3rd line center. I'm sure Tiffoli will hopefully be more conditioned and fit going into training camp.

I'm totally disappointed with Gudbransson in the playoffs. Not sure if he's still hurt from his injuries late in the season but like what some has said, he kind of disappears in the playoffs and that's what it seemed. I still can't get over the fact that guys half his size like Yamamoto and Archibald out hit him in his own zone by a wide margin. I'm really on the fence if he should be signed long term.

Zadorov - I'm stoked with his performance the whole year and into the playoffs. Flames need to sign him before he reaches free agency.

Kylington - I keep saying he's small for a D-man and he is. It's really miserable to see him back-hugging Hyman and Kane. He's physically man-handled through most of the two series. I think the Flames can put in Mackey in place of him.

Hanifin - He's not a first line D-man. Either package him in a blockbuster deal or put him 2nd/3line pairing. Seriously, him and Kylington is what gets the Flames in defensive troubles when the opposition plays big with speed!

Stone - don't think he'll be back and sitting on the bench for 90% of the season again. I do like his size and huge point shot. Those are his assets but he can be a bit of a liability in his own zone at times. He's not as bad as Kylington and Hanifin due to his size.

Lewis - I think the Flames sign him for another year or two. It's the kind of Sutter player the Flames need.

Markstrom - Flames have him for another 4 season at $6M AAV and cap hit! Yikes!!! I really hope Wolf becomes the #1 goalie and it forces Tre to trade Markstrom - but who would be desperate for $6M declining goalie?

Flames can bring everyone back (minus a few high priced sheddings) for another cup run for Sutter's unfinished business. There's 2 more cracks at it. But it all depends on Gaudreau.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

I just don't agree with this at all. IMO Hanafin is twice the D-man Kylington is at this point. Without Tanev, Kylington is absolutely lost in his own end. The guy is supposed to be a great skater, sure he his fast but damn is he weak on his edges and falls all over the place. He is weak in general and often over powered by guys who look smaller than him. He loses most puck battles and doesn't make up for it with his stick. He has got to be one of the worst stick handlers I have seen at the NHL lvl, constantly bobbling the puck, flubbing passes and make just straight up bone head decisions with the puck. He is fast and shows some flashes of offense. Tanev turns him into a serviceable top 4 defenseman. Without Tanev I thought he was the worst player on the ice in playoffs.

Hanifin is not perfect, but is a better skater, is more cerebral therefore making better decisions in his own end, better first pass and doesn't need a stalwart veteren defensemen known for making his partner better, to make him a top 4 d-man. Do I wish he had a better shot and was more physical? absolutely! But IMO Kylington doesn't hold a candle to Hanifin, nor are they very similar.

Well for me it comes down to value. I think Kylington will come at a much cheaper price point than Hanifin and I think he still has untapped offensive potential, especially on the powerplay. Kylington has his warts without a doubt, but he has tenacity and a lot of jam to his game that I like on both ends of the ice.

I actually don't think Kylington's skating is actually that far off from Hanifin's nor do I think Hanifin makes a better first pass or makes better decisions. He's bigger than Kylington, but he plays just as small. Personally, I think Hanifin is big time overrated. His offensive game is extremely vanilla, his PP quarterback skills are limited and I don't think he drives his pairing, Tanev and Andersson did IMO and they both come cheaper too.

Just out of curiosity, what did you see in the playoffs that gives you confidence going forward? I thought he was pretty awful in both series and like someone said early, was exposed. The two opponents were completely different as well, one was heavy and the other one was speed/skilled and he was terrible in both and the opponents took full advantage. Hanifin was on the ice for 16 even strength goals against while Kylington was on the ice for only 6. Kylington also didn't even have a healthy Tanev in the line up for half the series.

[tvp2003]

I have a good feeling that Gaudreau will be back; not sure how the Tkachuk situation will play out after a disappointing playoffs.

The good news is that Gaudreau doesn't need Tkachuk to put up points, whereas Tkachuk isn't putting up 40/100 without Johnny.