Kicking motion

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Shazam

No one in the NHL admin gives a poop about the Flames.

They usually don't care about the Oilers either but McDavid changed that.

This is what it comes down to. The NHL is a business and they have determined it's in their best interest to have superstars do well in the playoffs.

The NHL is not some benevolent organization hell bent on having a fair contest. They want to make money and will do that however they see fit. In this case we get what was clearly a good goal called off, an obvious high stick which cut a player not called (which lead to the 2-1 goal) and media coverage that tows the company line.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is what it comes down to. The NHL is a business and they have determined it's in their best interest to have superstars do well in the playoffs.

The NHL is not some benevolent organization hell bent on having a fair contest. They want to make money and will do that however they see fit. In this case we get what was clearly a good goal called off, an obvious high stick which cut a player not called (which lead to the 2-1 goal) and media coverage that tows the company line.

If they're serious about increasing gambling then they're going to have to change this in short order.

[Steve Macfarlane]

Not sure the goal would have stood as the winner but no one will ever convince me it's physically possible to make a distinct kicking motion with the foot on the ice when the other one is in the air.

In the end it just makes the loss harder to digest.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...-nhl-playoffs/

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

Not sure the goal would have stood as the winner but no one will ever convince me it's physically possible to make a distinct kicking motion with the foot on the ice when the other one is in the air.

In the end it just makes the loss harder to digest.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...-nhl-playoffs/

This is the single biggest contributor (among about 6) to why the goal should have counted

[Red_Baron]

Sleeping on it has not helped how I feel about it today.



I wish I could be done with the NHL, but I know (and they know) that I'll be back watching and cheering next season.

[SuperMatt18]

If McDavid or Draisaitl scored that exact same goal, at the exact same time of the game there was no way it would have been called back.

There is no doubt in my mind.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If McDavid or Draisaitl scored that exact same goal, at the exact same time of the game there was no way it would have been called back.

There is no doubt in my mind.

Yup.

[Captain Otto]

I can understand the subjectivity to an extent.

But what is astounding is that Chris Furlatt was the ref for both that goal and the goal posted above with Winnipeg during the play-ins.

How can we expect consistency from game to game and ref to ref and when the same ref makes different decisions on similar plays?

It's really had to wrap your head around.

Quite simply just a terrible, terrible call that will haunt this franchise for a time. I would say it would haunt the NHL too, but we all know they don't care about integrity unless it makes them money.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is what it comes down to. The NHL is a business and they have determined it's in their best interest to have superstars do well in the playoffs.

The NHL is not some benevolent organization hell bent on having a fair contest. They want to make money and will do that however they see fit. In this case we get what was clearly a good goal called off, an obvious high stick which cut a player not called (which lead to the 2-1 goal) and media coverage that tows the company line.

Remember when they reviewed video to find the 4 minute high stick penalty against us vs Dallas.

[slybomb]

The thing that gets me is that this is not a controversial call if they let the goal stand.
It was called a goal on the ice
It was going in anyways
You have to make a huge argument to say that was a kick
Coleman was being hauled down
They made this controversial by going against the grain. Pure stupidity in every sense.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah I don't think it's bias, it's just incompetence.
The issue is that this type of thing makes sports less fun for fans. And improvements in things like replay technology are shining more of a spotlight on it.
It is true that the better team won the series. But it is irrelevant to this discussion. At a critical moment in the series the wrong call was made.

The most damning evidence is the large number of goals people can find where the goal was similar or even more of a kick, and it counted.

That's what the NHL should have to explain. How can those count and this one not?

You want officials to have minimum influence on an outcome. Last night they had a massive one. And that's failure on the NHL's part.

No sorry strongly disagree. They aren’t getting off the hook this time.

I would not use the word “bias” I would use the phrase “coercing a desired outcome”. They aren’t “biased” against the Flames but they absolutely are managing the sport to achieve specific outcomes intended for a variety of financial benefiting reasons.

Rigged- is a better descriptor. You’d have to be willfully trying to avoid this consideration at this point to not admit this, and it’s not just based off of the worst no goal call in NHL history like we saw last night. Dino put it well in the other thread, this isn’t tinfoil hat conspiracy theory territory anymore. Like, why does everyone go out of their way to admit reality? Because it is disgusting.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by slybomb

The thing that gets me is that this is not a controversial call if they let the goal stand.
It was called a goal on the ice
It was going in anyways
You have to make a huge argument to say that was a kick
Coleman was being hauled down
They made this controversial by going against the grain. Pure stupidity in every sense.

Yup, totally different feel if the refs on the ice called it a no goal then at least I get it

[Tron_fdc]

I still think there was a small kicking motion, however slight or intentional.

But does slight kicking motion constitute "distinct"? It would appear that's completely subjective when you compare it to other goals that have counted which to me is the issue. The NHL decided to apply a black and white interpretation when in the past they have not.

Either change the rule to allow goals off skates, or this argument never ends due to the subjectivity.

Not going to dwell on it though. Definitely not the reason we lost.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The NHL's explanation of the call is not helping, it's making it seem even more incompetent.

The league should have a video explaining exactly where the distinct kicking motion was, including time stamps and possibly even other examples from the season where it was called a goal on the ice but the league called down to overturn it.

I mean, if it's that obvious it should be very easy for the league to show all fans so we know exactly where this blatant kicking motion was.

[GioforPM]

The other thing is that the reason they ban “kicking motions” is that they are dangerous - the skate blade comes up.

This was not that.

[RoadGame]

Originally Posted by Draug

I watched 94 Flames games this season. 100's of other games. And that goal counts 10/10 times. As others have shown, many have counted all year that had way more of kick.

The inconsistencies are a complete farce. For the first time ever, I need to take some time and evaluate whether or not this sort of BS is what I want to spend $20,000+ on each year. It's a joke. I don't think it's worth my money, my time, or my emotional investment.

The Flames didn't lose the series on that call, but it almost certainly cost them the game.

I know we'll probably never find out what the ownership group or DS/BT say to the league about the refereeing during the playoffs, but surely they have to know that these issues cost them money by sapping demand for tickets. They can't change the outcome of game 5 but the lack of accountability is a problem. I'll still cheer for the Flames but I'm not going to invest much money in it. What's the point when it looks an awful lot like there is a thumb on the scales or an overall lack of competence/consistency, whether it's Iginla in R4G6 '04, Bennett in R2G3 '15, Coleman in R2G5 '22, to name just three pretty egregious examples.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The NHL's explanation of the call is not helping, it's making it seem even more incompetent.

The league should have a video explaining exactly where the distinct kicking motion was, including time stamps and possibly even other examples from the season where it was called a goal on the ice but the league called down to overturn it.

I mean, if it's that obvious it should be very easy for the league to show all fans so we know exactly where this blatant kicking motion was.

That would be helpful if they could justify it in some way. I think it’s just incompetence. If the refs or league were trying to fix the series, there is no reason they couldn’t be less obvious and let the series go to game 7 at least.

That said, my impression of a kicking motion is exactly what happens when the puck is stuck in a scrum along the boards and everybody is hacking at it with sticks and skates trying to get it free.

[Elkyiv]

It's a terribly worded/structured rule.

Let's say it's an empty net at one end and the puck is resting on the goal line.
In theory, a player can skate from his own net to the center line, stop his stride, keep one foot on the ice in a stationary position, make contact with the puck to propel it into the net.

Now you have to say it's a good goal because there isn't a kicking motion but you still kicked the puck into the net.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The NHL's explanation of the call is not helping, it's making it seem even more incompetent.

The league should have a video explaining exactly where the distinct kicking motion was, including time stamps and possibly even other examples from the season where it was called a goal on the ice but the league called down to overturn it.

I mean, if it's that obvious it should be very easy for the league to show all fans so we know exactly where this blatant kicking motion was.

They can’t explain it

Video can only make it worse

Their best move is to keep quiet and hopefully it goes away

[Gaskal]

Guys, Bettman just be mad about the arena. He gets all angsty about it.