[PGT] Flames lose in OT: Season Over

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Agree with most of this, as soft as the pass was, Hanifin tried to pass the puck to Johnny around the boards. Gaudreau decided it was to scary to go retrieve the puck.

Like I guess if you want you can argue Gaudreau could have dropped down harder on Draisaitl but his centerman (Lindholm) is closing in on Draisaitl and Gaudreau's supposed to have the point man - where he guessed the puck was about to go so he slides up.

The first problem is Hanifin's decision to blindly toss it around the corner - which i think McDavid gets a stick on the puck. Then its the pass from Draisaitl to McDavid - Lindholm/Hanifin botch the coverage and McDavid is left wide open.

Its a 2 on 2 on the side wall and McDavid gets an open shot from the slot. That's not on Gaudreau.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

If you were to grade Markstrom this series, I probably give him a 6/10. Which probably isn’t good enough but not like 2/10 like some are suggesting.

I think the whole team struggled defensively, and Markstrom couldn’t bail them out enough times with big saves.

6/10? I want you as my movie critic for my new releases!

That was a 3/10 if I ever saw one.

How many times did he lose track of the puck yesterday? 4 or 5 times? He might not have done that in 25 games during the regular season.

[tvp2003]

I do feel bad for younger fans who may be just getting into hockey, going to red lot, and seeing the success of the team this year. I toured a middle school yesterday and there were lots of hockey related drawings on the wall involving the Flames and Oilers -- they were probably super pumped to see the Battle of Alberta.

A long playoff run would have been awesome for them; instead, the Flames are out in five thanks to some below average play, questionable officiating, and of course the no-goal in Game 5. I'm old enough and have been through enough sports heartache to realize it's just a game and sports are supposed to be entertainment; however, younger me would have been crushed by this series and how it ended.

I will say this though -- the last time the Flames lost four straight to the Oilers in the playoffs was 1988. We all know what happened the following year.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

6/10? I want you as my movie critic for my new releases!

That was a 3/10 if I ever saw one.

How many times did he lose track of the puck yesterday? 4 or 5 times? He might not have done that in 25 games during the regular season.

Oh for sure, Markstrom had a tough series.... never looked sharp.

Flames coaches played Markstrom to many games, next season his workload has to be cut down....

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Neeper

Holy hell Gaudreau is just too damn soft for NHL playoff hockey. There were so many instances that if he had just used his body, just even a little bit, the outcome might have been different. Especially on the series-winning goal where he just turned away from Draisatl when he could have pinned him.

He is of course not the only one to blame. Markstrom sucked, Tkachuk was invisible, and the rest were non-factors except Backs.

I can't believe I am going to say this, but we should let Johnny walk.

How about if Mr. Useless Hanifin didn't give him the puck in the first place? or how about Markstrom make a relatively easy save with no screen?

Posts like this makes me wish Gaudreau will sign somewhere else to win his cup. We don't deserve him.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by flambers

Oh for sure, Markstrom had a tough series.... never looked sharp.

Flames coaches played Markstrom to many games, next season his workload has to be cut down....

I love Sutter but man Vlader must have run over one of his calfs with an ATV. He hates him!

We would have won the series if he wasn't so stubborn on letting the ECHL goalie start every game.

[tvp2003]

FWIW, Kevin Woodley (goalie expert with InGoal Magazine) tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530208037377519616

So excluding game 1 (which I absolutely agree Markstrom was garbage), he was pretty average for the rest of the series. Not terrible, but not a difference maker either, which is disappointing but matches the eye test for me.

[indes]

After missing the playoffs last year a second round exit isn't a bad result. Great learning experience for the team and our young D men who really lost themselves in this post season.

Hoping to see some growth from Andersson, Hanifin and especially Kylington. This was Oliviers first full season and even though he had some bad bad defensive gaffes I thought he was one of the better dmen in transition and was forcing things to happen offensively.

Bring on next season!

[NewFan]

The one of our biggest weakness was nobody wanted to stand in from of Smith. Some guys go to the front of net but nobody tried block Smith's sight. Always stay next to him try to look rebound or skates away. Everytime. If we had Pavelski or Perry type of guy we should have more goals.
But in other hand our D's are to soft to clear the front of net and very good blocking Markstrom to see the puck.

And Markstrom reacts to much for some shots that make him not good position for the second shots. He needs to adjust his style and don't slide to much. And he has some mental weakness for big pressured games unlike Oettinger.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still don’t get how you can conclude after a 5 minute review that there is “Conclusive” evidence that it was a “Definitive” kicking motion.

The fact that it took 5 minutes in itself means that it’s not conclusive or definitive.

Would love to know who made that call in the NHL Video Room to overturn the refs call on the ice.

Yeah, to me conclusive is multiple angles showing without a doubt. The standard is not probably, it is definitely to overturn the call on the ice. For this one it was only a single angle that was taken into consideration, with the context of the other angles.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Dude that series winning goal is on Hanifin and Markstrom.

I don’t agree with your take at all. Johnny had a great playoffs.

If Johnny does leave, this team has only one option to improve: scortched earth rebuild.

Johnny was not good in the series for a top player

That’s fact

I agreed we need to resign him as he is the offense

[Shazam]

I just have a horrifying feeling the Avs are going to blow it against the Blues and the Oilers are going to face the easier team.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

FWIW, Kevin Woodley (goalie expert with InGoal Magazine) tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530208037377519616

So excluding game 1 (which I absolutely agree Markstrom was garbage), he was pretty average for the rest of the series. Not terrible, but not a difference maker either, which is disappointing but matches the eye test for me.

As usual, the hyperbole either way is over the top, but you nailed the key problem - you go out and get a guy like Markstrom so he can be better than average when you need him to be, like early in the season.


Was he the reason the Flames lost? No. But they're paying hm to be able to be the reason they win when the team falls down.

[puckbrain]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Why did we constantly pass the puck to the Oilers in our own zone. Just couldn’t get it out like we had all year.
Johnny”s defensive play in our end cost us. The guy will never ever sacrifice his body to get the puck out no matter how important the game is. Always leaves the dirty work for everyone else.

gaudreau is a floater.....and a cherrypicker...

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by puckbrain

gaudreau is a floater.....and a cherrypicker...

Wow that sounds like an Oiler fan quote..

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Hard to make an argument that the Flames should have moved on to the next round. Like Sutter said, Edmonton was a little bit better. Markstrom wasn't good but neither was Smith and overall it felt like Edmonton controlled the pace after game 1. Focusing on one wrong call is just losing sight of the bigger picture.

There may be some focusing on one call - but the vast majority of posters, myself included are of the view that the refs didn’t cost the Flames the series.

But the refs definitely cost the Flames game 5 and in such a stomach churning way as well. I’d say it seemed like they were on the phone to Draft King instead of the Situation Room, but we may have had better luck with Bet King given our history with the NHL.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

This is pretty much how I saw it too. The team's solid team defense we saw all year was basically just thrown out the window against the Oilers. Just completely strange.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530216168555962369

[The Yen Man]

I think what's the real piss off here isn't so much the Oilers were dominant, it's more the Flames played like garbage. I'd be begrudgingly ok if the Flames lost but played a hard fought series. But they were butter soft against the Oilers, and leaky defensively. It's not like Oilers played fantastic either. I give them no credit for winning this series. Oilers didn't win it, the Flames lost it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The 'top' line. Yikes.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530217225520656384

[puckbrain]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530059014641291264

is still sutter a competent coach?

looks like he was outcoached...