Kicking motion

[Infinit47]

The only way this would have recieved any attention (other than if it was against the Oilers and eliminated them) would be if the Flames refused to play in OT. Fat chance that would ever happen.

[Squirrel]

The Brotherhood of Refs does not forget the Dennis Wideman crosscheck

[Ace]

Thought it was a bad call, but you’d think if Bias was in play from the league they would be in favour of an additional game and the additional revenue.

Just further incompetence of applying consistency. They should define “kicking motion” as swinging your foot..but really with how many off the feet goals they allow, they should just remove the rule all together.

[agulati]

Got completely jobbed by that call. Seeing so many Oilers fans call that a bull#### call and a good goal, shows how blatant this crappy call was.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah I don't think it's bias, it's just incompetence.
The issue is that this type of thing makes sports less fun for fans. And improvements in things like replay technology are shining more of a spotlight on it.
It is true that the better team won the series. But it is irrelevant to this discussion. At a critical moment in the series the wrong call was made.

The most damning evidence is the large number of goals people can find where the goal was similar or even more of a kick, and it counted.

That's what the NHL should have to explain. How can those count and this one not?

You want officials to have minimum influence on an outcome. Last night they had a massive one. And that's failure on the NHL's part.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

The way the rule is worded, the fact the puck is likely to go into the net on its own doesn’t matter IMO.

The rule is whether the puck is propelled into the net using a “distinct kicking motion”. And that using the skate to propel the puck into the net WITHOUT using a “distinct kicking motion” is legal.

So what is a “distinct” kicking motion? Distinct means everyone knows it when they see it. Because people know what it means to kick a puck into the net. So even if you accept that Coleman purposely slid his skate towards the puck (which he admittedly did), that is not a “distinct” kicking motion.

Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the replays of all the other goals that have been allowed where there is a much clearer kicking motion. The NHL simply got it wrong, either due to incompetence or something else entirely.

This is spot on in my opinion. Its really hard to prove he had intent considering he was falling with one skate on the ice being checked from behind but it does look like he may have. That said to call that a clear kicking motion is completely ridiculous and should never have been overturned unless the original call on the ice was "no goal".

In the examples already shown in this thread the call was controversial but still called a goal. The reason these examples were posted on youtube is that they were controversial. There are numerous examples every year where this play happens and is called a goal and no one makes a highlight clip because it is routinely called a goal. What a joke of a call.

It is a very bad look for a league to be pushing a bunch of gambling ads these playoffs but to call back this goal given the wording of the current rule and numerous examples where pucks were directed into the net. This is pretty much a slam dunk case of either incompetence or rigged sports for any litigious lawyers out there given precedence and the wording of the rule.

They really need to change this rule going forward to make it less subjective.

[Canadianman]

Call was definitely wrong, but it's not why we lost the series.


Refereeing has been an issue in the NHL for decades, seems to be getting worse. Can we switch to robots yet?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah I don't think it's bias, it's just incompetence.
The issue is that this type of thing makes sports less fun for fans. And improvements in things like reply technology are shining more of a spotlight on it.
It is true that the better team won the series. But it is irrelevant to this discussion. At a critical moment in the series the wrong call was made.

The most damning evidence is the large number of goals people can find where the goal was similar or even more of a kick, and it counted.

That's what the NHL should have to explain. How can those count and this one not?

You want officials to have minimum influence on an outcome. Last night they had a massive one. And that's failure on the NHL's part.

While I was shocked that the goal was overturned, anytime you have to go to NHL replay I feel fans should be conditioned to know that any and every outcome is possible. While the rulebook exists, it seems that interpretation of rules can vary from game to game, person to person especially with rules like this where kicking motion is something that's subjective. I feel the only way to eliminate controversies like this is to simply allow any and all goals off skates as it's the grey area rules that ruin the experience for fans that just want to see games called fairly. Thousands of Flames fans are asking themselves why that goal was overturned when the league has allowed more egregious kicking motions to stand as goals and that's a bad thing for the NHL.

[Five-hole]

Oilers fans saying it should have counted should be taken with a grain of salt. It’s easy to be magnanimous when you still won the game and the series.

It’s the neutral fans that are interesting and the overwhelming majority of comments I’ve seen are that the call was wrong.

[calf]

Originally Posted by icarus

Remember this one that was called a good goal AGAINST the Flames?

https://youtu.be/PpHUZfU4-b4

I think a good rule of thumb is that the call will always go the opposite of Kelly Hrudy's analysis.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

While I was shocked that the goal was overturned, anytime you have to go to NHL replay I feel fans should be conditioned to know that any and every outcome is possible. While the rulebook exists, it seems that interpretation of rules can vary from game to game, person to person especially with rules like this where kicking motion is something that's subjective. I feel the only way to eliminate controversies like this is to simply allow any and all goals off skates as it's the grey area rules that ruin the experience for fans that just want to see games called fairly.

Yup.

Either allow all goals off skates, or no goals off skates.

Leaving it to an individuals discretion leads to situations like this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

Call was definitely wrong, but it's not why we lost the series.


Refereeing has been an issue in the NHL for decades, seems to be getting worse. Can we switch to robots yet?

It's not the reason they were in danger of losing. But it's literally the reason they lost the series last night, unless you think the Oilers were going to tie it ion the next 2 minutes (possible but unlikely).

I don't think it's pro-Oiler bias. But I think they viewed it as a virtual OT goal and they didn't want that on a "controversial" goal.

[Torture]

Well that clears things up, time to lock this thread.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530167537102618626


...conveniently omitting the next section that says it's a good goal if you're stopping and that you can redirect. Cool NHL, very cool.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Torture

Well that clears things up, time to lock this thread.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1530167537102618626


...conveniently omitting the next section that says it's a good goal if you're stopping and that you can redirect. Cool NHL, very cool.

They know. Everyone knows. Blown call.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by icarus

Remember this one that was called a good goal AGAINST the Flames?

https://youtu.be/PpHUZfU4-b4

That makes it sting even more.... ouch.

[Shazam]

No one in the NHL admin gives a poop about the Flames.

They usually don't care about the Oilers either but McDavid changed that.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Arguably the worst call I have witnessed in the NHL age of video review. I’m still in disbelief. What a travesty that this is what we are talking about. How the NHL continues, and officiating in general, to be the story after a pretty entertaining game, it’s a joke. Oilers likely still take the series but I don’t care. They took away a good goal with millions watching, setting a precedent in how future goals like this will or won’t be called, all eyes are on their pathetic group of officials and their “situation room”.

It’s also a stupid rule to begin with. You can battle for a puck in the corners with your skate, and subsequently kick a puck to your teammate along the boards. A goalie, last I checked, can kick a puck with their skate blade to make a save.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah I don't think it's bias, it's just incompetence.
The issue is that this type of thing makes sports less fun for fans. And improvements in things like reply technology are shining more of a spotlight on it.
It is true that the better team won the series. But it is irrelevant to this discussion. At a critical moment in the series the wrong call was made.

The most damning evidence is the large number of goals people can find where the goal was similar or even more of a kick, and it counted.

That's what the NHL should have to explain. How can those count and this one not?

You want officials to have minimum influence on an outcome. Last night they had a massive one. And that's failure on the NHL's part.

I think this affects a lot of teams.

Generally speaking I think the NHL is just not all that good at these sorts of things despite all the controls they've put into place.

[CASe333]

Another recent playoff example. This was even called a no goal and reviewed to be a goal even though he changes the direction of his skate.

The first comment from reddit on this "no goal" on ice but was reviewed and called a good goal in 2018 sums this situation up best:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm...alled_no_goal/

level 1[deleted]·4 yr. ago
Thank god this isn't the series clinching goal.

https://streamable.com/raqld

From the commentator:

"its critical what the call on the ice was".... apparently it doesn't matter at all given this example and last nights call.

[Robo]

Ultimately I think I'm done watching hockey every year my interest has been getting lower and lower, this year I watched only a handful of games and felt nothing when we were eliminated by our provincial rivals. The league has become a hot mess and completely turned me off of the sport.