Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread 2

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Wouldn’t gun buy-backs be cheaper? I’d wait until the economy tanks and people ate desperate for money and will sell their guns at a discount.

Yeah, gun buybacks and much stronger gun legislation would be great. I just don't have a lot of confidence in the US to do anything on that side of things. Seems like it would be easier politically in the US to get spending on something like infrastructure rather than gun buybacks, sad as that is.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

To take out the bears? Yes.

Not at all. The team looks more like this:

Spoiler!

Just becuase a fuzzy wuzzy cuddly mountain teddy frightens you, doesn't mean we need to send in the SWAT team.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Improving perimeter security with walls, gates, and guards obviously wouldn't be a replacement for gun legislation, but while that intractable issue remains intractable it would at least seem a better long-term initiative than having generations of kids growing up in schools with paranoid policies such as locked steel classroom doors and teachers armed with guns. That's not what schools should be.

The majority of public schools in the states don't have funding for 10 year old computers or to fix their AC - nobody's funding prison-schools.

I would also assume that the schools you're speaking of in East Asia with the tight security are for the top 1% and that the majority of students attend schools with very, very poor infrastructure.

Unequal societies. Just gate off the whole community and get it over with, not just the school. Everywhere is going to resemble South Africa and Brazil.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Sliver

To take out the bears? Yes.

Maybe Kamloops schools would be better off having their own bears. They could be the good bears, to protect the kids from any bad bears.

[bigtmac19]

https://twitter.com/danielmkim/statu...tbiGCQ726ca2DQ

This thread is horrible and I expect all too common.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

The majority of public schools in the states don't have funding for 10 year old computers or to fix their AC - nobody's funding prison-schools.

I would also assume that the schools you're speaking of in East Asia with the tight security are for the top 1% and that the majority of students attend schools with very, very poor infrastructure.

Unequal societies. Just gate off the whole community and get it over with, not just the school. Everywhere is going to resemble South Africa and Brazil.

Development of the region is certainly a factor, but then I assume most of the US isn't being compared to rural areas of developing countries in terms of infrastructure. In developed regions lots of public schools are like this. In many contexts it would be having no walls that is the exception to the norm, not just something for the 1%.

It's just different norms, not prison schools.

I agree that education funding is definitely an issue in the US. Similarly to the gun issue, it comes down to the fact that if there's insufficient political will to change then nothing changes. Maybe there will eventually be political will to change gun laws. Hopefully there will be.

[Senator Clay Davis]

First of all, CTE, obviously. Second, very good chance this severely brain damaged individual will be a US Senator soon, in case you're wondering why America is so completely, irreversibly ####ed.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1529817124256026624

[MissTeeks]

Of course they did.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1529862443895345152

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Yeah, gun buybacks and much stronger gun legislation would be great. I just don't have a lot of confidence in the US to do anything on that side of things. Seems like it would be easier politically in the US to get spending on something like infrastructure rather than gun buybacks, sad as that is.

I can't imagine the US spending that much on public schools.

And I also don't see what it would do in this case. Just a different person to shoot on the way in.

[marsplasticeraser]

The US is a deteriorating nation and has been for at least 15 years (from my first-hand experience).

We all know that for a long time most public schools have been terrible and infrastructure has been crumbling. There is also massive inequality that is getting worse.

I look at the US and see a fast-fading power, propped up by a lot of money, some innovation, and a robust military.

The scary part is that there is a growing religious aspect in US politics, and they are militant. This feels like there is the potential for very significant consequences, as we've seen in other countries over the last 2,000 years that religious fervor and weapons typically produce bad outcomes.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I can't imagine the US spending that much on public schools.

And I also don't see what it would do in this case. Just a different person to shoot on the way in.

Also - according to the school board safety measures:

11. PERIMETER FENCING – Dalton, Anthon, and Robb have fencing that encloses the
campus is designed to limit and/or restrict access to individuals without a need to be on the
campus.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZF2...NQwNyVsV0/view

The fact that this document exists in the first places shows how prevalent this issue is.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

First of all, CTE, obviously. Second, very good chance this severely brain damaged individual will be a US Senator soon, in case you're wondering why America is so completely, irreversibly ####ed.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1529817124256026624

Why the #### do these people quote the bible as if it's something that actually happened, and that public policy should be based around fables? No wonder the US has so many problems, most of the people in power believe in fairy tales and shape their world view around them.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why the #### do these people quote the bible as if it's something that actually happened, and that public policy should be based around fables? No wonder the US has so many problems, most of the people in power believe in fairy tales and shape their world view around them.

They do it for votes. Religious people will vote for people who pretend to be religious. Remember when Trump held up a bible that one time in front of a church?

Quote something beautiful about love from the bible and people lap it up.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

They do it for votes. Religious people will vote for people who pretend to be religious. Remember when Trump held up a bible that one time in front of a church?

Quote something beautiful about love from the bible and people lap it up.

I dunno, he says it so naturally it doesn't seem like pandering. I have no doubt he actually believes Cane and Abel were real people. Trump? Sure, he's a faker.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I guess dressing the cops like Delta Force is more for intimidating the general population than actually stopping active shooter situations.

Basically. Too busy doing crowd control and having a taser at the ready to use on parents rather than actually engaging the shooter:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1529652093354536961

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Also - according to the school board safety measures:



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZF2...NQwNyVsV0/view

The fact that this document exists in the first places shows how prevalent this issue is.

That may be a policy, but if you actually look at the school on streetview, there is basically nothing to prevent anyone going onto campus.

[jammies]

What is the point of fortifying schools, shooters will just go to malls or practice fields or any of a thousand other public spaces to kill people, including kids. It's just displacing the problem, not solving it. It shouldn't even be coming up as an option, it isn't better than nothing, it is nothing.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by jammies

What is the point of fortifying schools, shooters will just go to malls or practice fields or any of a thousand other public spaces to kill people, including kids. It's just displacing the problem, not solving it. It shouldn't even be coming up as an option, it isn't better than nothing, it is nothing.

And it's just so weirdly obvious what the problem is that it's difficult to even talk to people who flap their gums about prayers, and mental health, and lonely men. Like, how can these guys say that with a straight face? The problem is guns and easy access to them.

[Roger]

I wonder how things would change if churches were the cool spot to shoot up instead of schools? Or maybe political offices? I wonder if devastated parents of victims ever fantasize about shooting up an NRA convention. Yo dog, I heard you like guns so I brought a gun to your gun show.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by jammies

What is the point of fortifying schools, shooters will just go to malls or practice fields or any of a thousand other public spaces to kill people, including kids. It's just displacing the problem, not solving it. It shouldn't even be coming up as an option, it isn't better than nothing, it is nothing.

It wouldn't solve the broader issue of gun violence. That's certainly true. If they're going to implement policies for school security though, which they already are, much better that security be established at the perimeter of campus rather than interfering with the inside of the school and negatively impacting school life. Policies like heavy doors always kept locked and the possibility of increasing the number of weapons in school just seem like terrible responses that will only make education worse and harm the experience of more kids and teachers even if they never face a threat at school.