Okay, but this sounds like 'War on Crime/War on Drugs' thing.
Have we not had enough evidence to show that harsh sentencing guidelines dont really have a tendency to actually do much to diminish or deter crimes?
I am actually doing something which I hate which is criticizing something without offering a potential solution or other course of action.
Unfortunately, I really dont have one. I liked the South Park clip that was posted a bit back. Gun Violence and School Shootings seem like they've become so commonplace as to just have become part of everyday life.
Who do you punish? The shooter is not someone that can be reasoned with. By the time they get to that stage there is no reasoning and they dont care about the punishment because most of them arent planning on coming out alive.
So it seems like the proper thing to do would be to get out ahead of it. Be tougher on school bullying. Its not 'oh kids will be kids.' Stamp that stuff out.
More focus on Mental Health...but thats a cop out. Its just a nothing phrase unfortunately its also not wrong. Bullying and stress are bad for mental health which seems to be the key issue here. A person has been pushed to a breaking point.
Granted, I have to admit thats a breaking point I dont understand in this instance. I have no idea why an 18-year old took issue with a bunch of 4th Graders to push him to this point? It doesnt seem to make a lot of sense.
I don't really see them as comparable. The War on Drugs was foolish because mainly it just targeted the addicts more then anything else. There was never a serious effort at going after the production end because that'd be declaring war on other countries soil.
I do think that people that knowingly sell Fentynyl (sp) deserve an absolute bullet to the back of the head though.
But this is gun violence. perpetrated by violent people. If your buying an illegal gun, probably 90% of the time your going to do something violent. If you flat out try to murder a person with a gun you're an irredeemable scum bag.
Because Gun Crime is so prevelent down there, I believe they should almost deal with this like a national security emergency.
Also they do need and Canada needs to go after the supply chain for these weapons. We know the Chinese make a ton of money stamping out AK-47's and having them show up in shipping containers. Same with Thailand, Russia, Israel and other countries. Even the US manufacturers need to start paying a price here as well.
But I'm rambling.
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I’m seeing some stories about police badly handling this situation, that they confronted the shooter outside the school, he got past them, then they didn’t go in after him when he started shooting? Any concrete info on this?
I’m seeing some stories about police badly handling this situation, that they confronted the shooter outside the school, he got past them, then they didn’t go in after him when he started shooting? Any concrete info on this?
I haven't heard anything specifically, but listening to them address the media, they sound pretty defensive almost like they are trying to get in front of it. It does sound like the officer that went in and shot the shooter may have done so without an order or back-up. I saw it posted on another forum, but no actual source was provided, so maybe just a rumour or someone trying to create a hero side story.
The law enforcement were border security agents apparently. I am not sure if that makes them more or less qualified to handle these types of situations.
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And if anyone is paying attention, suicide rates, depression rates, mental health issues, etc, etc....especially among young males, are through the roof.
Combine that with a ridiculously easy way to obtain firearms, and you have almost the perfect storm of problems leading to these mass events. And it WILL get worse.
Our society in general isn't handling these things well, not just the US.
Canada just doesn't allow anyone to go buy firearms as easily, which I hope makes it harder to go shoot other people, but lets not think for a second that our kids aren't suffering as well.
From my anecdotal perspective there seems to be an epidemic of mental health issues in my kids’ friend groups. Thankfully nothing suicidal or homicidal but lots of depression, panic attacks, and other issues. In part I think they are more open about it but I also believe it’s more prevalent than with previous generations.
I was thinking about how nice it would be if somehow liability protection for gun manufacturers could be removed to allow them to be more easily sued for negligence. If that were to happen, they would probably start self-regulating more to prevent these tragedies. I believe some Sandy Hook survivors are trying to sue a gun manufacturer, but the manufacturers are protected in many ways. Just to get it out there, I know some people will say things, like what about cars... they kill a lot of people. Should auto manufacturers be sued? Obvious differences there since guns are made for killing and are marketed by how well they can achieve that.
Maybe they should take cigarette route and force gun manufacturers to advertise the negative side effects. If every store that sells guns or ammo had to have a sign outside on their store front that made people feel uncomfortable, maybe people wouldn't want them in their communities.
I don’t know if that exact approach would work but it’s the right direction. Like with smoking, society needs to be convinced that guns are dangerous and uncool. Attitudes need to change, which may take generations, but look back at how cool and ubiquitous smoking was fifty years ago vs. now.
I’m seeing some stories about police badly handling this situation, that they confronted the shooter outside the school, he got past them, then they didn’t go in after him when he started shooting? Any concrete info on this?
I've heard that Ramos got into a fire fight against the police when they arrived at the scene of him and his crashed vehicle in a ditch. From there, he was able to run to the school and then enter the school. I also heard someone being interviewed that he had heard that the police did not enter the school until 45 minutes after Ramos had entered but this person was clear to say he still needed to confirm that it was true. I've also heard that the police were initially outgunned (obviously, given the kid had AR15s), which might be why the cops needed heavier weapons before entering though I don't know what protocol is when there's an active shooter and if waiting is even an option.
"Spare me the bull#### about mental illness. We don’t have any more mental illness than any other country in the world. You cannot explain this through a prism of mental illness, because we don’t — we’re not an outlier on mental illness. We’re an outlier when it comes to access to firearms and the ability of criminals and very sick people to get their hands on firearms. That’s what makes America different,”
While I disagree with the overall premise of needing armed police presence at school, and I think Cruz misspoke (or is an idiot) about having one door, I do agree with him about having the backdoors locked.
This is something that even 1990 Canadian schools were doing. All doors locked from the outside except the main entrance which (usually) passes by the administrative desk. At the end of recess/lunch, some snot-nose goodie two-shoes holds it open until everyone is in. Stragglers had to go to the front and got scolded. I have to imagine that school security has only got more strict and I wouldn't be surprised to find out someone went against protocol to have that backdoor accessible by the shooter as is currently being reported.
That is mostly the case now though - at least in Canada. I haven’t been to a school where any other doors besides the main entrance could be opened from the outside.
That said, I don’t think he misspoke. He is either an idiot or is doing his best to distract people from the tragedy of this school shooting by being a laughing stock.
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