05-25-2022, 09:57 AM
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#1041
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
4 more years at 6M won't be an issue. Teams would line up to get a legitimate proven #1 goalie at that rate.
Doesn't mean he hasn't played poorly this series. He has.
But it doesn't mean he's not a legit #1.
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He's the least of the team's issues going forward as it's only one team that's kryptonite for him. The development of Wolf will ultimately determine if Markstrom finishes this contract as a Flame. If he has another year in the AHL like he did this season he's ready to graduate as Markstrom's backup and take the next step and to his credit so far in his young career no step has been too large for him.
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05-25-2022, 10:00 AM
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#1042
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The rival that you've faced once in the last 30 years in the playoffs.
You can't toss away Markstrom on that basis.
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There's also the 13 regular season BoA games where Markström has a combined SV% of .884.
But again, try the other goalie. Then we'd know if we have a serious problem or just a weird situation where the backup happens to be better against that one team.
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05-25-2022, 10:06 AM
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#1043
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First Line Centre
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I don't want someone on my team who drops a steaming turd at centre ice during our biggest playoff series in almost 20 years.
The Flames were an entirely different team in game 1 until he started letting in Hyman wrist shots that a junior B goalie would save. He has looked absolutely shaken at times, and I think people underestimate how hard it is to play in front of that.
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05-25-2022, 10:53 AM
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#1045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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I wonder if trading Markstrom is a better move for the team in terms of keeping overall talent.
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05-25-2022, 11:49 AM
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#1046
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Shazam
I wonder if trading Markstrom is a better move for the team in terms of keeping overall talent.
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There are better options to trade IMO
These players have been low impact players or even a liability this playoffs in both series:
Mangiapane
Toffolli
Dube
Monahan
Lucic
Kylington
Zadorov
Only Zadorov is a ufa but the rest all make more money than what they bring to the table in the playoffs
Not saying trade all but some of these guys are players that their deals are short term enough they can be moved or young enough they have value even at an overpriced contract
Mangiapane and Kylington deals are unknown at this point but if they out price themselves maybe it’s ok to move on. If not then using a prospect or pick to get rid of monahan or lucic is all that is needed to create cap space to move forward
Stockton has a few pieces that could be ready to go next year. Pelletier and Mackey could be good replacements for guys moved out at a fifth the cap hit.
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05-25-2022, 12:06 PM
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#1047
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
There are better options to trade IMO
These players have been low impact players or even a liability this playoffs in both series:
Mangiapane
Toffolli
Dube
Monahan
Lucic
Kylington
Zadorov
Only Zadorov is a ufa but the rest all make more money than what they bring to the table in the playoffs
Not saying trade all but some of these guys are players that their deals are short term enough they can be moved or young enough they have value even at an overpriced contract
Mangiapane and Kylington deals are unknown at this point but if they out price themselves maybe it’s ok to move on. If not then using a prospect or pick to get rid of monahan or lucic is all that is needed to create cap space to move forward
Stockton has a few pieces that could be ready to go next year. Pelletier and Mackey could be good replacements for guys moved out at a fifth the cap hit.
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Mangiapane - Will be accepting a MUCH lower offer than his regular season implied
Toffolli - will play out his contract
Dube - who knows
Monahan - he's probably done as an impact player
Lucic - i bet he's a buyout. Maybe not if we go into a rebuild
Kylington - he needs to be reliable and consistent. probably not going to happen, so he's a good trade piece on a low ceiling player that other teams might think they can fix.
Zadorov - thursday may be his last game as a flame
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05-25-2022, 12:44 PM
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#1048
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Itse
There's also the 13 regular season BoA games where Markström has a combined SV% of .884.
But again, try the other goalie. Then we'd know if we have a serious problem or just a weird situation where the backup happens to be better against that one team.
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Yeah, people need to stop pretending Markstrom’s play against the Oilers has been an issue in just this series. I don’t know how many more sub-par games it will take to affirm in their eyes that it’s a problem. Three more? Six?
That doesn’t mean it’s the only reason this team has struggled. But it’s the biggest reason.
Honestly, what’s the downside of going with Vladar at this point? That he might play even worse than Markstrom? To do that, he would have to play worse than any other goalie in the playoffs so far. And if he does? <shrug>
Alternatively, Vladar might play average. Which would be a big boost to the Flames’ fortunes.
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05-25-2022, 12:49 PM
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#1049
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
He's the least of the team's issues going forward as it's only one team that's kryptonite for him. The development of Wolf will ultimately determine if Markstrom finishes this contract as a Flame. If he has another year in the AHL like he did this season he's ready to graduate as Markstrom's backup and take the next step and to his credit so far in his young career no step has been too large for him.
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Hey my apologies for thinking you’re putting it all on Markstrom.
“Him” means the Flames, I got it now.
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05-25-2022, 12:50 PM
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#1050
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Yeah, people need to stop pretending Markstrom’s play against the Oilers has been an issue in just this series. I don’t know how many more sub-par games it will take to affirm in their eyes that it’s a problem. Three more? Six?
That doesn’t mean it’s the only reason this team has struggled. But it’s the biggest reason.
Honestly, what’s the downside of going with Vladar at this point? That he might play even worse than Markstrom? To do that, he would have to play worse than any other goalie in the playoffs so far. And if he does? <shrug>
Alternatively, Vladar might play average. Which would be a big boost to the Flames’ fortunes.
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Are you saying Markstrom wasn't good against Dallas?
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05-25-2022, 12:55 PM
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#1051
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Are you saying Markstrom wasn't good against Dallas?
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…Markstrom’s play against the Oilers..
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05-25-2022, 12:59 PM
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#1052
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Hey my apologies for thinking you’re putting it all on Markstrom.
“Him” means the Flames, I got it now.
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You are grasping at straws here purposely misconstruing separate posts. Grow up.
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05-25-2022, 01:00 PM
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#1053
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Yeah, people need to stop pretending Markstrom’s play against the Oilers has been an issue in just this series. I don’t know how many more sub-par games it will take to affirm in their eyes that it’s a problem. Three more? Six?
That doesn’t mean it’s the only reason this team has struggled. But it’s the biggest reason.
Honestly, what’s the downside of going with Vladar at this point? That he might play even worse than Markstrom? To do that, he would have to play worse than any other goalie in the playoffs so far. And if he does? <shrug>
Alternatively, Vladar might play average. Which would be a big boost to the Flames’ fortunes.
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Vladar should’ve played Game 4, that’s on Sutter.
What’s the point of having a good backup if he’s not gonna play when the starter needs help? … so bizarre to me.
The team doesn’t need the goalie to steal any games… just be average!! … Marky is struggling, so let Vladar help him out… it’s a team game.
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05-25-2022, 01:01 PM
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#1054
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Hasn't been the better goalie in either series, not a recipe for success in the post season.
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05-25-2022, 01:06 PM
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#1055
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Marky can’t cost the team any more games obviously and I think he needs to steal 1 in order to win the series
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05-25-2022, 01:11 PM
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#1056
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Even if the Flames wanted to trade Markstrom, I don't think they could because of his full NMC.
But in terms of timing, now would be a better time to do it than ever. And by "now" I mean this postseason. As much as I don't like his contract, I think he would have quite a bit of value at the moment.
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05-25-2022, 01:13 PM
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#1057
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Even if the Flames wanted to trade Markstrom, I don't think they could because of his full NMC.
But in terms of timing, now would be a better time to do it than ever. And by "now" I mean this postseason. As much as I don't like his contract, I think he would have quite a bit of value at the moment.
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And then who do you go with as a #1 goalie next season? Unless the suggestion is Vladar is an NHL starter (which I don't think he is)
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05-25-2022, 01:16 PM
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#1058
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius
Vladar should’ve played Game 4, that’s on Sutter.
What’s the point of having a good backup if he’s not gonna play when the starter needs help? … so bizarre to me.
The team doesn’t need the goalie to steal any games… just be average!! … Marky is struggling, so let Vladar help him out… it’s a team game.
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It would also have been vastly easier for Vladar to come in at game 4 than game 5 with the season on the line already.
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05-25-2022, 01:18 PM
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#1059
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
And then who do you go with as a #1 goalie next season? Unless the suggestion is Vladar is an NHL starter (which I don't think he is)
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Anyone suggesting Markstrom needs to be traded has to be someone that wants to tear this whole thing down and see if they can suck enough to get Bedard.
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05-25-2022, 01:21 PM
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#1060
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Anyone suggesting Markstrom needs to be traded has to be someone that wants to tear this whole thing down and see if they can suck enough to get Bedard.
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someone pointed out in another thread that the only way to actually win a cup is to get a Top3 pick. There's been once exception in the last 13 years, and that team had a Top4 pick.
So it depends on what you want as a team.
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