[News] Tanev Update: Undergoing Surgery will likely be back between September and November

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

Not in Edmonton they would do everything to pair Mackey with McDavid

That's fair. Just seems like mental mistakes last game caused the loss and those mistakes maybe were fatigue in players not used to playing as much.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Jbo

The gamesmanship going on is so weird. Is Tanev out for the season? Is he close to returning? Who really knows.

On the other side does anyone here really believe Pissy has a high ankle sprain? Seems like misinformation from Edmonton media. The way he skated in his breakaway suggests to me he is fine.

they have said he can skate in straight lines ok, its turning that is the problem.

[djsFlames]

McDavid doesn't leave the ice. There's no such thing as matching against him haha.

If someone is always on the assignment of staying between him and the net though, it's at least a start.

Several instances last game where there was nobody home back there. Feels like defending 101, but alas, here we are.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

McDavid doesn't leave the ice. There's no such thing as matching against him haha.

If someone is always on the assignment of staying between him and the net though, it's at least a start.

Several instances last game where there was nobody home back there. Feels like defending 101, but alas, here we are.

I can't quite figure out what it is about McDavid that allows him to play the minutes without collapsing.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I can't quite figure out what it is about McDavid that allows him to play the minutes without collapsing.

It's the several minutes of floating at the blue line or neutral zone at a time while the opposing team is working the puck in the Oilers end where he can recharge before the puck eventually gets back up to him again.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's the several minutes of floating at the blue line or neutral zone at a time while the opposing team is working the puck in the Oilers end where he can recharge before the puck eventually gets back up to him again.

Yeah, he pretty much coasts when he doesn’t have the puck. Gretzky did the same thing.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I can't quite figure out what it is about McDavid that allows him to play the minutes without collapsing.

Getting over 8 minutes of powerplay time tends to play a role. No way he can keep up 25 minutes of mainly 5v5 ice time but when he gets to coast around the offensive zone for the entire second period, he'll have lots of legs left for the third against tired defensemen.

[Locke]

Tanev needs a blood transfusion from Robo-Langkow-Wolverine.

"His spine is crushed....and yet there he is."

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Steinberg was on the podcast yesterday saying that he watched Tanev in the optional practice and he can’t even shoot the puck. A defence man who can’t handle the puck is a liability. It sounds like he’s done for the year.


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This fits my layman's suspicion of a shoulder tear that will definitely need surgery, but where there's also no harm in waiting. It might improve enough over days/weeks to become somewhat functional again; moderate exercise while avoiding certain stresses may be part of the temporary rehab plan.

It's also possible that he can shoot the puck, but it hurts like hell so don't do it unless it's actually necessary.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, he pretty much coasts when he doesn’t have the puck. Gretzky did the same thing.

I could probably count on one hand how many time i have actually seen McDavid go to the boards to dig for a puck. He doesn't do jack work and probably never will.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Getting over 8 minutes of powerplay time tends to play a role. No way he can keep up 25 minutes of mainly 5v5 ice time but when he gets to coast around the offensive zone for the entire second period, he'll have lots of legs left for the third against tired defensemen.

They showed a distance tracker on the COL/STL broadcast last night. I forget the exact numbers, but I think Toews was already up to 24 mins early in the third, but hadn't covered that much more distance than other guys (who were also fairly high TOI). It would be interesting to compare 97's actual mileage with a MacKinnon or Barkov.

[BigNumbers]

Any updates or rumors on Tanev’s availability ? Man we’re missing him…

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

Any updates or rumors on Tanev’s availability ? Man we’re missing him…

Any rumours there are generally suggest that he is done
Probably amongst the top 3 most important flames. Huge loss

[curves2000]

I don't want to derail this thread or anything but McDavid being able to play his minutes comes downs to conditioning and his efficient skating after years of doing it. This nonsense of him coasting isn't rooted in reality.

If he coasted less, I doubt he's getting gassed playing 18 minutes a game. The elite of the elite are always on a different level when it comes to commitment both on and off the ice/field or whatever the sport is.

The way Tom Brady, Crosby, McDavid, Lebron James, Ronaldo, Messi etc do it in their sports is different than your average guy. End of story.

In the NHL, it was Crosby who really led started the trend on NHL level training for what in essence, was a child. @ 12/13 years old with a personal trainer, taking hundreds of shots a day, skating coach's, fitness coach, weight training the modern NHL way, nutrition like no other. That dedication makes the difference.

McDavid training with Gary Roberts and other elite NHL's at 14/15 and the famous story of when he flew to Edmonton to sign his big $100 million contract. He didn't even stay in town for a celebration dinner or drink. Flew right back to Toronto to make a 6 am workout with Gary Roberts. Lot's of others just say screw it, and enjoy themselves once in a while.

People thought Tom Brady was full of **** with his "system" in his early 30's. Not a chance can you play at a high level in your mid 40's they said. The guy is as boring as can be and everything is dedicated to him playing longer and more effective than before. The special ones see it differently and do it differently. Bobby Orr, who is McDavid's agent said he would be the best skater in the game ever, at 15 years old. Bobby Orr saw it than. It's just different for the best of the best.

[kyuss275]

Think I would accept Tanev playing next game at 30 % and with one arm. Huge huge loss

[Young Guns]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I can't quite figure out what it is about McDavid that allows him to play the minutes without collapsing.

Not that hard when you never get hit and play most those minutes in the offensive zone.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Any rumours there are generally suggest that he is done
Probably amongst the top 3 most important flames. Huge loss

Then you have the talking heads o sportsnet/ cbc that he's close to returning. So who the #### really knows...

[Aarongavey]

The Tanev injury has exposed Kylington as a 5/6 dman defensively. Stone is also a 6/7 dman and Zadorov and Gudbranson are best as 5/6 but they are 3/4 now. The Flames desperately need to spend the majority of the game in the Oilers zone like they did for the first 4 periods of this series, because they do not have the horses on the backend to efficiently get out of their zone otherwise. The Tanev injury has had such a butterfly effect on 4 other dmen in my opinion.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Tanev injury has exposed Kylington as a 5/6 dman defensively. Stone is also a 6/7 dman and Zadorov and Gudbranson are best as 5/6 but they are 3/4 now. The Flames desperately need to spend the majority of the game in the Oilers zone like they did for the first 4 periods of this series, because they do not have the horses on the backend to efficiently get out of their zone otherwise. The Tanev injury has had such a butterfly effect on 4 other dmen in my opinion.

Agree with all but Stone, he is playing like a 3/4.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Agree with all but Stone, he is playing like a 3/4.

Stone has been good, but his lack of speed and so-so mobility is regularly getting exposed. There's been a few times when he's lucky that Kylington closed in quickly on the puck carrier to buy him time to get back.

At this point, maybe Sutter needs to sub Valimaki or Mackey in for one of Zadorov or Gudbranson to get some more mobility back there.