I'm leaving CP

[tvp2003]

My rule of thumb is to try to give more than you take. Zamler did that.

CP is a great resource for news, analysis, funny memes and gifs, etc. But if all you’re doing is attacking people, spewing out garbage takes and every dumb thought that comes into your head <cough> game threads <cough>, you’re not contributing anything of value. Kind of like Zack Kassian.

Don’t be like Zack Kassian.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Azure

Twitter is to me a much better avenue for getting Flames content because you can stick to the guys who report on the team. Ryan Pike, Darren Hayes, etc....these guys do an amazing job and I love their takes.

Not sure about the mods side. On one hand the digs at people aren't necessarily ban or warning worthy, but I guess if you add them up over a long period of time (like what Zamler has been dealing with in regards to the EV threads), it just gets to the point where there isn't much purpose in sticking around anymore.

Honestly not sure what to do about any of this. It is to me very much reflective of how the entire world is these days. As soon as you show interest in a subject or post your perspective there will always be people who take shots at you.

Yeah I think (just as you say) it's the inability for some to accept the fact that people that have a different POV will exist and take up space on the board and are allowed to.

They feel compelled to make a pass at them that can make their experience here a bit more miserable, because they don't like their posting style or things they have said. And then the passes add up over time.

The problem is the inability to remain uninvolved if we don't like how somebody else likes to go about their business or drive a discussion.

Rather than saying "meh I don't care for that, I'll go somewhere else", some posters have to chime in.. JUST to express their displeasure.

It adds nothing and it just discourages posters from saying what they want to, which everybody should be allowed to do without those drive by judgments.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah I think (just as you say) it's the inability for some to accept the fact that people that have a different POV will exist and take up space on the board and are allowed to.

They feel compelled to make a pass at them that can make their experience here a bit more miserable, because they don't like their posting style or things they have said. And then the passes add up over time.

The problem is the inability to remain uninvolved if we don't like how somebody else likes to go about their business or drive a discussion.

Rather than saying "meh I don't care for that, I'll go somewhere else", some posters have to chime in.. JUST to express their displeasure.

It adds nothing and it just discourages posters from saying what they want to, which everybody should be allowed to do without those drive by judgments.

But like… not when what a poster wants to say is “threads like this are cringey”… then it’s ok to get involved when we don’t like it and chime in JUST to express our displeasure, right? THEN it’s ok to make a pass at the poster and not accept that they have a different POV.

Gotta make sure you make that clear my man. Because you know, we can’t be doing those things you said… unless the poster is one of the bad ones… then go off, king! Discourage those bad guys from saying what they want to!

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Clearly not. But if we as individual posters need to be better than the standard has to be set better. Obviously a little self reflection is key but let's nclude those in positions of overall responsibility in the grand sweeping statement of let's all be better.

Idk, I think everything is fine here. Personally, I'd like to go on the offensive more than is permitted against stupid posts, but I try to remain respectful of the standard the mods have set, which I view as a reasonably high standard already. Like, a typical conversation my friends and I have irl would get us banned here in one day. We swear. Call each other morons. Make fun of each other. Talk more explicitly. Like, if this place is too much for you, I have to wonder what you're like irl. It's fun and funny to rile each other up.

You would like it tamer. I would prefer more of a wild west. Looks like the mods have found a balance in the middle. I can live with that.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But like… not when what a poster wants to say is “threads like this are cringey”… then it’s ok to get involved when we don’t like it and chime in JUST to express our displeasure, right? THEN it’s ok to make a pass at the poster and not accept that they have a different POV.

Gotta make sure you make that clear my man. Because you know, we can’t be doing those things you said… unless the poster is one of the bad ones… then go off, king! Discourage those bad guys from saying what they want to!

Yeah I'm not going to protect people who can hold their tongue when they have nothing to add to a conversation.

If you don't like it, debate the person with an alternate view or thought. Don't just drop a dismissive or dick comment, adding nothing, and discourage that person from contributing to the board.

I think that makes a lot of sense and is pretty straightforward. You can be an "antagonist" type, but do it in a way that doesn't just make the forum a more toxic place to post.

Does that register in your mind or are you just going to be dismissive/judgey too with some "blah blah king" comment.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This isn't adding anything. It's just being ignorant and dismissive. And the piling on of people that thank it goes to show how much this judgmental group-think stuff permeates the board now.

Absolutely. There’s a small handful of posters (they know who they are) that have taken it on themselves to act a some sort of moral compass, permeating the forums searching for posters to ridicule and enforce their justice. It’s become a cold and hostile community as the fun has been replaced with intolerant groupthink.

[Erick Estrada]

There’s a reason there are a lot of lurkers that don’t post as it’s an intimidating and judgmental place.

[Traditional_Ale]

Everyone on this board posts really stupid stuff from time to time. My take on the Freedom Convoy wasn't my best moment, and as the facts have come out I have had to own some of the things I said as wrong, and eat my humble pie. On an entirely different topic/thread, I actually had one poster here PM me the next day apologizing to me for the way they debated me the previous. Admitting when you're wrong and apologizing goes a long way to making things awesome. I would never want to participate in an echo-chamber OR a total free-for-all. Check ourselves before we wreck ourselves, so to speak.

As for zamler, I think anyone that has contributed as much to CP as they have and gets frustrated enough to create a thread announcing their departure and why is certainly entitled to do so.

Thanks for your participation, zalmer!

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There’s a reason there are a lot of lurkers that don’t post as it’s an intimidating and judgmental place.

Good point. Like that wall of shame thing some guy was doing. Posters can’t even let their true feelings out in a game thread without some kid collecting it all to publicly shame them after a game.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There’s a reason there are a lot of lurkers that don’t post as it’s an intimidating and judgmental place.

If you are in a political or moral discussion then isn’t being a judgemental place where people challenge your position what you should be looking for? As someone mentioned earlier there is no algorithm to protect you and since it’s a sports board you get a much wider swath of people posting.

Even in the sports side you are challenged to back up your opinion with lots of smart people around.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GGG

If you are in a political or moral discussion then isn’t being a judgemental place where people challenge your position what you should be looking for? As someone mentioned earlier there is no algorithm to protect you and since it’s a sports board you get a much wider swath of people posting.

Even in the sports side you are challenged to back up your opinion with lots of smart people around.

There’s a different between being challenged and being ridiculed. The latter is more prominent unfortunately much like the “cringey” post early in this thread which drew a lot of likes for the wrong reason. There’s a reason we periodically get threads like this. It’s driving posters away and keeping new posters from participating.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This, and the pile of likes that these posts get, are exactly what's wrong with CP.

If the dude wants to say goodbye, and explain himself to a place that he's contributed to for years, let him.

It's ####ing zamler. It's not cringy. It's his way of telling us to wake the hell up, and we should listen.

And if you don't want to listen, don't come into the thread and comment to begin with. You can literally go anywhere else to find a conversation you'd rather contribute to.

This isn't adding anything. It's just being ignorant and dismissive. And the piling on of people that thank it goes to show how much this judgmental group-think stuff permeates the board now.

It's high school level attention seeking. This is an anonymous hockey forum, why does it have to be so dramatic? I've been posting here for over 15 years now (holy #### that feels weird to say) and there hasn't been some great cultural shift like some seem to think. Back then it was a group of Flames fans that talked about hockey and a bunch of other stuff, emotions ran high in game threads, and was filled with great insight and terrible takes. And aside from a lot of new usernames, that's still what CP is today. Just because someone takes a certain post too personal and calls it quits doesn't mean we need to "wake up", I'd say the onus is on them to take a step back and collect themselves. Compared to the likes of Facebook, reddit, and hf, this is the least toxic social media site I've seen

[NOISIA]

Are you 12? Typical to make a scene. Go post your smut elsewhere I guess.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Twitter is to me a much better avenue for getting Flames content because you can stick to the guys who report on the team. Ryan Pike, Darren Hayes, etc....these guys do an amazing job and I love their takes.

Not sure about the mods side. On one hand the digs at people aren't necessarily ban or warning worthy, but I guess if you add them up over a long period of time (like what Zamler has been dealing with in regards to the EV threads), it just gets to the point where there isn't much purpose in sticking around anymore.

Honestly not sure what to do about any of this. It is to me very much reflective of how the entire world is these days. As soon as you show interest in a subject or post your perspective there will always be people who take shots at you.

You keep bringing this up. Is there a specific example, because I can't think of anyone attacking him. Where his opinions challenged? Sure, that's becuase it's a discussion forum. Not everyone shares the same prognostication for the future. Are we just supposed to agree with his opinion no matter what it is? Is posting an opinion not an invitation for people to discuss it, otherwise why post it? If there were some specific personal attacks that you keep referring too, please point them out. Otherwise it just feels like you are saying opposing opinions are not valid discussion points. And if it looks like a "pile on" maybe it's because no one agrees with that position. That's not an attack, it's just everyone reaching the same conclusion.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by NOISIA

Are you 12? Typical to make a scene. Go post your smut elsewhere I guess.

Hahahahahahahahhahahahahah

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Good point. Like that wall of shame thing some guy was doing. Posters can’t even let their true feelings out in a game thread without some kid collecting it all to publicly shame them after a game.

That same member is in here posting pretty hypocritical things as seen below. He wants to expose "shameful" comments and takes during a game but also advocates for posters to just move along and not get involved with comments or members who have dissenting opinions.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The problem is the inability to remain uninvolved if we don't like how somebody else likes to go about their business or drive a discussion.

Rather than saying "meh I don't care for that, I'll go somewhere else", some posters have to chime in.. JUST to express their displeasure.

It adds nothing and it just discourages posters from saying what they want to, which everybody should be allowed to do without those drive by judgments.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There’s a reason there are a lot of lurkers that don’t post as it’s an intimidating and judgmental place.

Despite what Sliver thinks, I doubt most people on CP regard all of the comments here as harmless ribbing among close friends. I can’t count the number of times a new member or lurker has decloaked to express an opinion, been mocked and dogpiled, and never commented again. And I honestly don’t know what to say to people who deny that kind of behaviour has been getting worse for years.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There’s a different between being challenged and being ridiculed. The latter is more prominent unfortunately much like the “cringey” post early in this thread which drew a lot of likes for the wrong reason. There’s a reason we periodically get threads like this. It’s driving posters away and keeping new posters from participating.

I think being challenged is fine, but there are a select group of posters on here who if they don't like someone tend to follow them around on the board, make snarky remarks, send PMs, etc in an effort to be as arrogant and condescending as possible.

I've posted in different types of threads over the years where my viewpoint wasn't deemed acceptable by some, and I had PMs come in from people telling me to STFU, swearing at me, etc.

I personally don't really care, but this is where Hemi is wrong about the anonymous part. Hiding behind your keyboard acting like an ####### towards people can affect that persons mental health & well being. There are a ton of evidence supporting that, and our society hasn't adapted to this issue very well.

Are you 12? Typical to make a scene. Go post your smut elsewhere I guess.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Azure

I think being challenged is fine, but there are a select group of posters on here who if they don't like someone tend to follow them around on the board, make snarky remarks, send PMs, etc in an effort to be as arrogant and condescending as possible.

I've posted in different types of threads over the years where my viewpoint wasn't deemed acceptable by some, and I had PMs come in from people telling me to STFU, swearing at me, etc.

I personally don't really care, but this is where Hemi is wrong about the anonymous part. Hiding behind your keyboard acting like an ####### towards people can affect that persons mental health & well being. There are a ton of evidence supporting that, and our society hasn't adapted to this issue very well.

People need to realize that not everyone can laugh off being humiliated of in front of a group even if it's amongst anonymous internet posters. It's bullying. If you are going to disagree with me that's fine and you can challenge my opinion but if you are going to try and ridicule or humiliate me, ask yourself it you would do that to my face. If you wouldn't then you probably shouldn't post it because if it's something you can't say to a person's face then it's because it's something that's simply not appropriate or productive.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

People need to realize that not everyone can laugh off being humiliated of in front of a group even if it's amongst anonymous internet posters. It's bullying. If you are going to disagree with me that's fine and you can challenge my opinion but if you are going to try and ridicule or humiliate me, ask yourself it you would do that to my face. If you wouldn't then you probably shouldn't post it because if it's something you can't say to a person's face then it's because it's something that's simply not appropriate or productive.

Most likely they were bullied themselves. Taking shots at posters you don’t know is cowardly, especially when you know they wouldn’t do it in real life.