WCSF: Flames vs. Oilers-Battle of Alberta

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by amazing_oilers

The Flames were a shot away from cleaning out their lockers vs a team with a rookie goalie and a bunch of over the hill vets with no speed or finish...Sutter loves the 0 0 game going into the 3rd but it's not going to happen against the Oilers being carried by a generational player playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen. The Flames are filled with greasy goons who will try to get our skilled players to retaliate but hopefully the Oilers have learned to leave the Flames to turtle in the corner and stay out of the box. We don't need Kane sitting for five with Lucic because that's 5 minutes Lucic is unavailable to make horrible passes and turnovers. Oilers in 6 because the Flames will squeak some goals through our leaky goaltending. If we swapped the goalies it'd be a sweep.

Please keep posting. Your stuff is absolute gold.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by amazing_oilers

The Flames were a shot away from cleaning out their lockers vs a team with a rookie goalie and a bunch of over the hill vets with no speed or finish...Sutter loves the 0 0 game going into the 3rd but it's not going to happen against the Oilers being carried by a generational player playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen. The Flames are filled with greasy goons who will try to get our skilled players to retaliate but hopefully the Oilers have learned to leave the Flames to turtle in the corner and stay out of the box. We don't need Kane sitting for five with Lucic because that's 5 minutes Lucic is unavailable to make horrible passes and turnovers. Oilers in 6 because the Flames will squeak some goals through our leaky goaltending. If we swapped the goalies it'd be a sweep.

You would love that, don't you?














Since the goalies aren't swapped, it'll be a sweep by the Flames!!!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by amazing_oilers

The Flames were a shot away from cleaning out their lockers vs a team with a rookie goalie and a bunch of over the hill vets with no speed or finish...Sutter loves the 0 0 game going into the 3rd but it's not going to happen against the Oilers being carried by a generational player playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen. The Flames are filled with greasy goons who will try to get our skilled players to retaliate but hopefully the Oilers have learned to leave the Flames to turtle in the corner and stay out of the box. We don't need Kane sitting for five with Lucic because that's 5 minutes Lucic is unavailable to make horrible passes and turnovers. Oilers in 6 because the Flames will squeak some goals through our leaky goaltending. If we swapped the goalies it'd be a sweep.

You do realize the Stars were Stanley Cup finalists in 2020 right and since then all they've done is kept roughly the same core plus added a 40 goal scorer and a franchise goalie who stood on his head?

I don't think anybody really gave the Stars enough credit despite their past playoff success. They play playoff style hockey, even better than the Flames IMO. This was a team that was one goal away from eliminating the eventual Stanley Cup winning Blues.


The Oilers on the other hand, I'm not completely sold on in the playoffs. I think they were in better shape back in 2017 when they were a big heavy team like the Flames of today. The Oilers were 3-0 vs the Kings in the regular season, but just squeaked by the Kings in the post season.

If it wasn't for McDavid's superhuman heroics, the Oilers may have actually lost to the extremely green LA Kings. Personally, I think in the end, the Oilers' depth and smallish defense will have a problem vs the Flames. Against Dallas, Calgary had a really hard time generating against the Stars' bigger defensemen and I wonder if the Oilers end up having a similarly difficult time against the heavy Flames' D.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Funny that some Oil fans still think Smith has been part of the problem.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Looks like we will get Chris Cuthbert who also called the last BOA in 1991.

[Vinny01]

Here is how I break it down.

Both teams had 2 100+pt players. While there is still a very significant edge to the Oilers here the Flames duo has proved to be top players in the NHL and would have closed the gap significantly compared to their last couple years where they wouldn’t have been considered close to the Oilers duo

From there you look at the rest of the forward group and this is where the Flames take a significant advantage in the series. The Oilers trot out Nuge, Kane, Hyman, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, McLeod which is the best depth they have had in years. The Flames however have a far superior supporting cast. Lindholm, Mangiapane, Toffoli, Backlund, Coleman, Dube. Oilers have guys like Ryan on their 4th line and the Flames have beef and a proven winner in Lewis.

Flames have the clear advantage on the blueline. Edmonton has a questionable defense. Nurse is inconsistent, Keith is washed, Barrie is horrible in his end, Kulak is just another guy, and Ceci is average. Flames top pair had 98pts this year. Hanifin Qi’s reaching his potential as a top pair guy and Anderson had a breakout year. If Tanev can play he is a key shift down guy and great pair with Kylington. Flames have the best third pair in the league and built for the playoffs in Gudbransen and Zadorov.

Flames have a clear advantage in net. Markstrom is a Vezina finalist who had an incredible first round. Smith is playing well for a while now but we all know he can be broken and can fall apart any game. He is 40 years old.

Flames also have the advantage when it comes to coaching. Oiler fans seem to be in love with Woodcroft and they had a great record under him but Sutter is all time. Multiple cups, many playoff series wins, a lock for the Jack Adams. He has this team playing consistent and they have all bought in. They stick with it and have dominated teams 5 on 5 all year.

*TLDR*
Oilers have the best player
Flames have better depth, defense, goalie, and coach.

That is why we are largely being picked to win the series and I for one agree but definitely am nervous. Really hoping the Flames can win in 5 and avoid a long series.

[browna]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Looks like we will get Chris Cuthbert who also called the last BOA in 1991.

With a color guy that played in the BOA in 1991.


That said, Simpson is far removed from Oiler taint and a pretty good color guy.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Here is how I break it down.

Both teams had 2 100+pt players. While there is still a very significant edge to the Oilers here the Flames duo has proved to be top players in the NHL and would have closed the gap significantly compared to their last couple years where they wouldn’t have been considered close to the Oilers duo

From there you look at the rest of the forward group and this is where the Flames take a significant advantage in the series. The Oilers trot out Nuge, Kane, Hyman, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, McLeod which is the best depth they have had in years. The Flames however have a far superior supporting cast. Lindholm, Mangiapane, Toffoli, Backlund, Coleman, Dube. Oilers have guys like Ryan on their 4th line and the Flames have beef and a proven winner in Lewis.

Flames have the clear advantage on the blueline. Edmonton has a questionable defense. Nurse is inconsistent, Keith is washed, Barrie is horrible in his end, Kulak is just another guy, and Ceci is average. Flames top pair had 98pts this year. Hanifin Qi’s reaching his potential as a top pair guy and Anderson had a breakout year. If Tanev can play he is a key shift down guy and great pair with Kylington. Flames have the best third pair in the league and built for the playoffs in Gudbransen and Zadorov.

Flames have a clear advantage in net. Markstrom is a Vezina finalist who had an incredible first round. Smith is playing well for a while now but we all know he can be broken and can fall apart any game. He is 40 years old.

Flames also have the advantage when it comes to coaching. Oiler fans seem to be in love with Woodcroft and they had a great record under him but Sutter is all time. Multiple cups, many playoff series wins, a lock for the Jack Adams. He has this team playing consistent and they have all bought in. They stick with it and have dominated teams 5 on 5 all year.

*TLDR*
Oilers have the best player
Flames have better depth, defense, goalie, and coach.

That is why we are largely being picked to win the series and I for one agree but definitely am nervous. Really hoping the Flames can win in 5 and avoid a long series.

McDavid + Draisaitl outscored Gaudreau + Tkachuk by 12 points.

They had 125 more minutes of PP time, which more than explains the difference.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk had higher offensive production, per 60,

The 'significant edge' is more than 100% explained by extra ice-time, and in fact is 100% explained just by the extra PP time.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

McDavid + Draisaitl outscored Gaudreau + Tkachuk by 12 points.

They had 125 more minutes of PP time, which more than explains the difference.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk had higher offensive production, per 60,

The 'significant edge' is more than 100% explained by extra ice-time, and in fact is 100% explained just by the extra PP time.

I am looking into the fact they are both centers, and have put up these numbers longer. I think the Draisaitl injury helps close the gap but McDavid went on another level last round.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

My heart says Oilers in whatever it takes, but my head says Flames in six.

The injury to Draisaitl will be hard to overcome, and Nurse still wasn't skating like his old self in the Kings series. This could be somewhat countered by the injury to Tanev, but while a great defensive d-man, he doesn't have the same impact on the game as Leon IMO.

Besides that, I feel like the Flames have had more consistent performances throughout the year and consistency wins in the playoffs.

What gives me some hope is that the Kings were 5th in the league in corsi, fenwicks, etc in the regular season and the Oilers managed to beat them in every 5 on 5 possession stat over the course of their last series.

The Flames of course had better possession stats than the Kings and they have some very speedy forwards which could give the Oilers rather immobile D-core fits. Their finishing is also substantially better.

Oilers will need Smith to keep chugging from the fountain of youth, another godly performance by McDavid and some luck to take down this year's Flames. Either way its going to be memorable!

[activeStick]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1526068513307127808

[Enoch Root]

I find it not only weird, but mildly disconcerting, that so many non-partisan 'experts' are picking the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I find it not only weird, but mildly disconcerting, that so many non-partisan 'experts' are picking the Flames.

Some partisan ones too. https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/battle-li...ries-1.5907669

[Sylvanfan]

Don't know if it was posted yet, but Edmonton radio fan boy Jason Gregor said today that he thinks Evander Kane is the 4th best forward in this series behind the clear cut top 2 in McDavid and Draisaitl, than okay maybe Gaudreau is the third best. Thinks Kane is next...he more or less claimed it's only a matter of a couple games till Archibald takes Tanev and Kylington out of the series.

It's like he forgets the 4 toughest guys in this series are on the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Jason Gregor has proven, over the last couple weeks, that he is nothing more than a fanboy. Pretty embarrassing garbage he's been spewing out. How is he not aware of how embarrassing it is? I mean, he has a perfect example right in front of him, from Staples, of what it looks like.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Don't know if it was posted yet, but Edmonton radio fan boy Jason Gregor said today that he thinks Evander Kane is the 4th best forward in this series behind the clear cut top 2 in McDavid and Draisaitl, than okay maybe Gaudreau is the third best. Thinks Kane is next...he more or less claimed it's only a matter of a couple games till Archibald takes Tanev and Kylington out of the series.

It's like he forgets the 4 toughest guys in this series are on the Flames.

LOL, same day as Lindholm is announced as a top 3 Selke candidate.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Don't know if it was posted yet, but Edmonton radio fan boy Jason Gregor said today that he thinks Evander Kane is the 4th best forward in this series behind the clear cut top 2 in McDavid and Draisaitl, than okay maybe Gaudreau is the third best. Thinks Kane is next...he more or less claimed it's only a matter of a couple games till Archibald takes Tanev and Kylington out of the series.

It's like he forgets the 4 toughest guys in this series are on the Flames.

A 5'8" 176 lb player?

By sneezing at them and infect them with what he has?

[JohnnyB]

I anticipate an amazing amount of Oilers trolling on CP for the duration of this series.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I anticipate an amazing amount of Oilers trolling on CP for the duration of this series.

Oiler fans are fine, trolls are not. So far pretty happy not to see any trolling!

[Five-hole]

Ugh, the media already. “How do you approach shutting down the Oilers offence?”

Flames GF: 293
Oilers GF: 290

Flames GA: 208
Oilers GA: 252

One of these teams should be more concerned than the other about their ability to shut down the opposition’s offence, and it’s not the one the media is blathering about.