Female Staff Harassment at the Saddledome

[Reggie Dunlop]

I'm sure the CSEC are well aware of this and the Reddit thread and are already formulating a damage control strategy.

This is the last sort of thing they want to see blow up right now... when there's heightened public interest in the team and garnering new fans.

Whether it'll be sincere remains to be determined.

[Brendone]

This is disgusting! The ‘dome, red zone, red mile, etc should be a safe place for everyone to have a good time. Perhaps t-shirts (red), towels, etc with some sort of slogan on it that reminds everyone they have a responsibility to keep it that way?

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe, maybe not as your statement is kind of baseless. There's 19k in the dome and I'm pretty sure the majority aren't CP posters. Who's to say any of the ones that do attend are guilty of this? Just weird to call out people that may not exist here.

I havent named names so it's not directed to anyone in particular. This is just based on probability.

If there isnt anyone in CP who harrasses females. Fantastic
If there is at least one person in CP who does, I'm glad this thread is out here for him to read

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Quickest way to change that unacceptable crap is to hit companies with bad press so they enact change.

That’s debatable, but the fact that it even needs to be considered to attempt to address the problem is a pretty sad indictment of how little CSEC actually gives a damn about their staff.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Pizza

I havent named names so it's not directed to anyone in particular. This is just based on probability.

If there isnt anyone in CP who harrasses females. Fantastic
If there is at least one person in CP who does, I'm glad this thread is out here for him to read

If we’ve learned anything over the last two years, there are some fringe elements with extremely out dated thought processes (if they can be called that) everywhere, sometimes right under our noses.

[iamca]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Say something. Intervene.

Everyone has a video camera recording device in their pockets. Document it when you see it.

And take it to Security or the Police


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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Security and police not doing anything. Isn't that what their job is? They should do a blitz and ban people from events, then hopefully others will smarten up.

It's unfortunately everywhere though. When I was in high school, a girl in our friend group used to work at a video store that was open late and always had creepers coming in and just lingering or waiting outside until close. She would call on us to go there and help her close all the time because of it. The real kicker was that one of the most persistent creepers was a cop.

Don't worry, he's just a city councillor now.

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Kinda unrelated. But i was actually sexually harassed at work, by a women. I went to management and told them. I also had backup of another guy, who’s literally 20 years older than I am, who also was harassed by the same women. The owner, who is a women, laughed at us and completely dismissed it. People need to take this #### seriously. Man or women.

You mean you didn't just find it flattering?

Obviously it shouldn't be dismissed, but perhaps her laughter was along the lines of "come back to me when this starts happening to you multiple times a day like women experience".

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That’s complete BS and she should take it to the media so it goes public. Quickest way to change that unacceptable crap is to hit companies with bad press so they enact change. And anyone pulling that crap should be barred from the establishment it occurred in and possibly criminally charged if the victim wishes. The fact this still happens in todays society is maddening.

The big challenge here is most of these incidents are implicit, not explicit. Maybe we're getting a little bit better, but I don't think society is really ready to empathize with women/victims without a 'smoking gun' (and even then vocal victims open themselves up to a lot of disgusting further abuse).

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The grabbers and crotch artists are experts. They've practiced for years so they know how to do it without getting caught or even noticed.

Very true

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-c...rges-1.5890275

A Calgary-based cardiologist accused of sexually assaulting a patient is now facing additional charges.
Michael Stephen Connelly, 65, was charged with one count of sexual assault after a patient came forward to police in October 2021 saying she had been touched inappropriately and without her consent during a 2012 consultation.
Since police announced the charges in February, four other people have come forward to report their experiences with the doctor.
Connelly now faces four more charges of sexual assault.
"Everyone should feel safe when seeking medical care," said Staff Sgt. Michelle Doyle with the Calgary Police Service (CPS) sexual assault investigative unit in a news release. "It is especially egregious when members of our community are victimized by an individual in a position of trust."
May is Sexual Violence Awareness Month in Alberta.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Is this really necessary to add? I don't think anyone made the argument that it's explicitly a Saddledome issue. However it is an issue at the Saddledome and as such, CSEC needs to do better by its employees.

I felt it necessary as I wanted to tell the horrific story of my daughter being stalked and entrapped at a place other than the Saddledome.

Sorry I offended you!

Jesus.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I felt it necessary as I wanted to tell the horrific story of my daughter being stalked and entrapped at a place other than the Saddledome.

Sorry I offended you!

Jesus.

Not even Bingo is immune to an old fashioned rubecube scolding. Welcome to life in the off topic forums.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not even Bingo is immune to an old fashioned rubecube scolding. Welcome to life in the off topic forums.

We just need that poster back who was calling Bingo a troll to complete the set.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Is this really necessary to add? I don't think anyone made the argument that it's explicitly a Saddledome issue. However it is an issue at the Saddledome and as such, CSEC needs to do better by its employees.

rudecube

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

That’s debatable, but the fact that it even needs to be considered to attempt to address the problem is a pretty sad indictment of how little CSEC actually gives a damn about their staff.

This is an incredibly unfair comment.

I worked at the FanAttic for years through high school and university. Occasionally (but not regularly) we would have to deal with harassment or bad behaviour by drunken idiots - particularly the female staff. Concerts were the worst for this, hockey games were generally more tame.

In every case, behaviour that crossed the line was dealt with seriously and immediately by security staff with the offending patrons removed from the building. Managers were extremely supportive and very protective of the staff.

I wouldn't call CSEC an excellent organization by any stretch. They are far from the best employer I've worked for but they are also far from the worst. The contention that they don't care about their staff is a lie.

[GullFoss]

I'm pretty sure many of us have done cringe stuff in their life. I know I have. Life through from teens to late-20s can be hard to navigate and mistakes are made. Alcohol doesn't help.

Unfortunately, the best you can do after the fact is take ownership, apologize and take the opportunity to grow and be better.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I cant even believe this is a thing. If someone did that to my daughter I dunno what I'd do. Why are men so ####ing gross? What is wrong with us?

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Kinda unrelated. But i was actually sexually harassed at work, by a women. I went to management and told them. I also had backup of another guy, who’s literally 20 years older than I am, who also was harassed by the same women. The owner, who is a women, laughed at us and completely dismissed it. People need to take this #### seriously. Man or women.

This will be difficult for me to properly convey but I will try. Although a young women is more susceptible and should be more protected from harassment, this is not just a "men" issue as PuckSlap indicated. I have dozens of instances where women have behaved very inappropriate towards me. One instance that I will/can share was when I was 16, a hairdresser grinded her crotch on my hand that rested on the armrest of the barber chair, shielded by the hairdressing cape, while she cut my hair. Whether this happens to anyone, like the young women in the OP, it is inappropriate and unacceptable. I do applaud the messaging to speak up, say something, do anything and be a part of the solution.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Zarley

This is an incredibly unfair comment.

I worked at the FanAttic for years through high school and university. Occasionally (but not regularly) we would have to deal with harassment or bad behaviour by drunken idiots - particularly the female staff. Concerts were the worst for this, hockey games were generally more tame.

In every case, behaviour that crossed the line was dealt with seriously and immediately by security staff with the offending patrons removed from the building. Managers were extremely supportive and very protective of the staff.

I wouldn't call CSEC an excellent organization by any stretch. They are far from the best employer I've worked for but they are also far from the worst. The contention that they don't care about their staff is a lie.

I didn’t say they never did better, or that they are incapable of doing better, in fact I’m quite certain they can do much better. If there are multiple allegations of this type of thing happening without much action on the part of CSEC then there is clearly a problem.

I’m glad to hear you had a good experience while working for them but no offence given the nature of these allegations I really doubt a high school/university student was given very much information regarding how every one these matters were handled during their tenure working at the fanatic.

Regardless of whether or not these types of things used to be handled appropriately, according to a number of allegations in the Reddit thread that no longer seems to be the case. As fans we’re always criticizing this organization for all sorts of decisions they make regarding the on-ice product so I don’t think it’s off-side or unfair to be critical of decisions they make regarding the off-ice product.

I suppose whether or not this is enough to determine how much the organization actually cares about or values their staff is debatable. So if you want to share how much the organization that paid troy Brouwer millions to handicap the team on the ice paid you to sell a $300 jersey with his name on it off the ice we could probably have a much more in depth discussion about it.

[Shazam]

I'm not sure how the CSEC can vet every attendee.

CSEC: "Do you like to grab women's private parts?"

Creep: "No."

[FlamesAddiction]

Get something like this for each employee:

https://www.amazon.com/Silent-Beacon...61&sr=8-4&th=1

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

I've never had to cultivate control or restraint. The urge to assault has never been there.

I think the idea is that what is perceived as threatening by the victim is often perceived differently by the perpetrator. All men need to be constantly working to improve themselves, even if you aren't commiting outright assaults.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

I think the idea is that what is perceived as threatening by the victim is often perceived differently by the perpetrator. All men need to be constantly working to improve themselves, even if you aren't commiting outright assaults.

Oh, like what.