This is most likely to be correct. Moscow did have a big dark cloud yesterday, but it only closed half of the sky, there was only a minor rain and no wind. Also, air shows were cancelled in several other cities. So Ukranian saboteurs heroes had to resort to putting the highest ferris wheel in Moscow area on fire (or should I say it mysteriously went on fire for unknown reasons).
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What is heroic in setting a ferris wheel on fire? If some Ukranian would rape a Russian woman in Moscow, would he be hero too? If some Iraqi sets an Orlando Disneyland on fire, would he be hero as well?
What is heroic in setting a ferris wheel on fire? If some Ukranian would rape a Russian woman in Moscow, would he be hero too? If some Iraqi sets an Orlando Disneyland on fire, would he be hero as well?
Putting their lives at risk to draw attention to the illegal invasion, occupation and murder of their fellow citizens isn't enough? Most Russians are indoctrinated, and anything that can crack that delusion and allow a ray of light onto the horror their government is raining upon innocent people is a very good thing. It's absolutely heroic. Did anyone die?
I don't know why you bring rape into this, there is only one side raping. Your continued deferral to whataboutism doesn't do you any favours.
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What is heroic in setting a ferris wheel on fire? If some Ukranian would rape a Russian woman in Moscow, would he be hero too? If some Iraqi sets an Orlando Disneyland on fire, would he be hero as well?
Honestly... boohoo. Your country continues an unjustified invasion where there are credible reports of serious and wide spread war crimes - including actual rape - and you're worried about a ferris wheel and whataboutisms.
Russia is not the victim here. Not even close.
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Frankly, very commendable of them to go behind enemy lines to only ruin a piece of equipment that isn't someone's home, daycare, hospital, pharmacy, etc. See how effective it is to get a point across without ruining someone's life?
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I actually think that it shows a lot of character to do something like setting the ferris wheel on fire in order to draw attention to the Russian people that they are in a war of their choosing, and are not untouchable.
With the movement on the front, and the new artillery from the West, Ukraine now has the ability to directly and indiscriminately shell Sevastopol or Belgorod. But they are not. An they will not.
Supply chain and high visibility/low collateral targets only. A very honorable stance considering the raping and pillaging they have endured. Even Canada does not have that kind of restraint. Historically we love burning down Philadelphia.
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Yet what Hitler did to Poland is arguably unparalleled in the whole history of mankind.
There is no comparing something that happened 400 years ago and something that is in the living memory of people today. The modern state of Poland is far removed as a successor to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Going back that far in history, the British and French, and the French and Spanish were warring as well. Heck, Sweden was a super power back then and had an empire and invaded Poland a couple of times, the last time was arguably a war for plunder. I doubt it factors in at all to modern relations between Sweden and Poland.
I could have considered at one point that the modern state of Russia is not a continuous successor to the Soviet Union, but not when current Russian leaders celebrate the achievements and military conquests of the Soviet Union. Invading Poland at that time was not a defensive war or a liberation. I can't deny that the Nazis were worse to Poland, but neither were good to them either. The Soviets still conquered Poland and caused suffering there. If they had not allied with Germany to begin with, Poland may have held out longer and the course of the war very likely would have been different.
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What is heroic in setting a ferris wheel on fire? If some Ukranian would rape a Russian woman in Moscow, would he be hero too? If some Iraqi sets an Orlando Disneyland on fire, would he be hero as well?
1. Was the attack perpetrated by white people?
Yes? Go to 2.
No? Go to 3.
2. Were the people attacked white people?
Yes? Go to 4.
No? The attackers are heroes.
3. Were the people attacked white people?
Yes? The attackers are terrorists.
No? Who cares.
4. Were the people attacked US allies?
Yes? The attackers are terrorists.
No? The attackers are heroes.
Was reading about Russia's fire fighting capacity. Apparently, Russia regularly employs soldiers and uses military equipment to fight fires, which are very common in most areas of Russia during the spring/summer. With the war in Ukraine, Russia has diverted a lot of their equipment to there. Some of the sabotage events may just be natural fires from Russia falling part and now they have no way to stop them, with all their equipment being occupied by the war.
Russian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Kiev - terrorists.
Ukrainian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Moscow - heroes
Palestinians civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Tel Aviv - terrorists
Palestinian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Damascus - who cares.
I don't know if I would ever say lighting a ferris wheel on fire makes someone a hero, but I wouldn't call it terrorism either unless there were people strapped into it at the time. I think anyone saying it's either are exaggerating. A few posters on a message board is insufficient evidence to generalize it to how "white people" think.
The IRA are white and attacked white people, and most people had no issue calling it terrorism. Iraq used terrorism against Kurds during the Iran/Iraq war, both considered non-white, and everyone called it what it was. Nowadays, I don't think most white people have an issue or object to calling the KKK and neo-Nazis terrorists.
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Ironically, as I am sure I'm the only person on this board who actually got blown up by the IRA back in the late 70's, I never considered the IRA terrorists, they were fighting to free their people from oppression, I may not have agreed with their tactics but their cause was undoubtedly just
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Ironically, as I am sure I'm the only person on this board who actually got blown up by the IRA back in the late 70's, I never considered the IRA terrorists, they were fighting to free their people from oppression, I may not have agreed with their tactics but their cause was undoubtedly just
I think the overall cause can be justified, even if the acts completed by some members are terrorism. For example, the Kurdish Workers Party in Turkey had some legitimate causes and were justified with much of their dissidence, but some of their acts were also clearly terrorist acts.
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Russian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Kiev - terrorists.
Ukrainian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Moscow - heroes
Palestinians civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Tel Aviv - terrorists
Palestinian civilians set a ferris wheel on fire in Damascus - who cares.
Am I wrong?
In general terms, it doesn't sound super wrong to me.
To this day I'm shocked at the sledgehammer response by the USA to the twin towers and the following inexplicable invasion of Iraq. 200,000 violent civilian deaths in Iraq? That's nucking futs. I just don't think Americans and the western world would have been as chill about that if Iraqis were white, although if they were white I don't think the Americans would have gone there in the first place.
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I was under the impression the majority of Iraqi civilians were killed in sectarian conflict, power struggles, and loss of order after the invasion.
Nation states fighting an open war vs internal conflicts and civil wars. It's a lot easier to pick a side when you have clear picture who is the aggressor or who has the moral high ground.
To this day I wonder if there wasn't more we could have done in Syria to support the opposition. We essentially abandoned them when people started fretting about arming "terrorists".
