[GDT] WCQF: GAME 4 - CALGARY FLAMES AT DALLAS STARS 7:30pm TV: SN/CBC/TNT/TVA - RADIO 960

[DynamRyan]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Come on Flames, I stay up till 230am(game time start) here in London, UK, to watch your games.

Make this one worth it please.

Yes, to those who know me on CP, I moved to London for a year or more…..

Crash the net, don’t be perimeter players.

For the love of god, we need Toffoli, Backlund and Hanifin to step up their games. Not to mention the other usual suspects.

As someone who's lived in Germany since 2018, can relate. I also got up at 4 am to watch them get blown out 6-0 to the Canucks on the opening day of the season in 2008-09 when I was at university in England, a fun memory.
GFG.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No. That's the point.

If you get more chances, but they aren't as good chances, and as a result, you have less overall success, then no, more chances is not the issue.

Your argument is that there are more chances, so they should be getting more goals, but are unlucky.

I am saying they are getting more chances, but those chances have a significantly lower likelihood of success (which is what we are seeing)

So we're talking eye test and your view then?

Numbers don't support the bolded ...

[Scary Eloranta]

Oh man that second line really stinks now. Maybe that should be the fourth line. This team really needs to develop another center somehow. Slim pickings after Lindholm isn't it.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Man, if this roster had even a quarter of the heart that the '04 roster did... that would be something to see.

I think they do.

[HighLifeMan]

Backlund hasn't scored in 20 games.
Toffoli has one goal in his last 15.

That is the foundation of your second line. If you are changing things, why not address the main issue?

[tvp2003]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1523722000652333057

In other words, there's still a possibility of Ritchie replacing Tkachuk on the top line...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So we're talking eye test and your view then?

Numbers don't support the bolded ...

Not sure what you're saying with the first line. As to the second, I disagree.

I am not sure why you're not following what I am saying here. Let's look at an example.

You have 10 events where there is a shooter in the high danger area. In scenario 1, that player shoots 10 times. The result: close to 10 high danger chances (a couple probably get blocked). In scenario 2, that player chooses to pass every time. In doing so, some of the passes will not connect, therefore there will be fewer high danger chances recorded. However, when the pass connects, there is a higher likelihood of a goal.

In scenario 1, the team is generating more high danger chances, but will have a lower rate of success. In scenario 2, they will have fewer chances, but a high rate of success (I am not saying more goals overall, I am saying a higher shooting percentage).

That, in an exaggerated state, is what is going on with the Flames right now. In the regular season, they went with the pass a lot. And it worked for them. In this series, they have been shooting from everywhere.

Result: high danger shot totals are there, but their shooting percentage is down, because it is easier for the goalie to save a direct shot than a cross-crease pass shot.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1523722000652333057

As soon as Darryl is finished practice and media he’s gonna read CP and Twitter reactions for the lols

[Buff]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Backlund hasn't scored in 20 games.
Toffoli has one goal in his last 15.

That is the foundation of your second line. If you are changing things, why not address the main issue?

Maybe they were put together to form the new 4th line? They got Ritchie on their left wing....

What we considered to be the 4th line was our best line last game and they have Mangiapane on their right wing. Maybe that's our new 2nd line?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Backlund hasn't scored in 20 games.
Toffoli has one goal in his last 15.

That is the foundation of your second line. If you are changing things, why not address the main issue?

They sort of do if instead of looking at it like:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Ritchie-Backlund-Toffoli
Dube-Jarnkrok-Coleman
Lucic-Lewis-Mangiapane

You look at it as:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Dube-Jarnkrok-Coleman
Lucic-Lewis-Mangiapane
Ritchie-Backlund-Toffoli

[howard_the_duck]

I'm for experimenting with the lines. I find Ritchie an odd fit on Backlund's line, but can see the rationale of pairing Mangiapane with Lucic's line. I've felt the Looch line has got WAY too much ice, so at least putting Mang with them can elevate their finish and mobility.

Team needs a spark. So Sutter is looking for some spark plugs.

[HighLifeMan]

The second and third line centers on this team haven't scored a goal in twenty consecutive games. That's the main issue. Swapping the 12th/13th forward on the team out for a 35 goal scorer does not exactly inspire confidence in terms of getting them going. Judging by that quote from Sutter I doubt we see any changes at all by puck drop.

[Gaudfather]

Time for the Flames to take Game 4 and then Game 5, and put the Stars on their heels! GFG!

[craigsol]

Originally Posted by RyZ

What a situation the Flames are in tonight...
Win and they are still the favorite in the series.
Lose and its an absolute catastrophe and its probably over.

They're currently still the favorite in this series

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

https://twitter.com/user/status/1523722000652333057

In other words, there's still a possibility of Ritchie replacing Tkachuk on the top line...

Heck I wouldn't even mind it for a period and slide Chucky with Backs and Toff...get them going

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So we're talking eye test and your view then?

Numbers don't support the bolded ...

I am glad that the numbers give rise to optimism. The Flames have not appeared dangerous but it may just be that my emotional reaction to them not scoring is altering my perceptions. It is certainly what Sutter refers to in his scrums. When it was 2-2 it felt like the next goal wins the game as neither team felt all that dangerous. That may be wrong but the team looks different and less dangerous than the team in the regular season. I hope the stats bear out and they get some puck luck moving forward.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1523735865641431040

[Southern_Canuck]

Hahaha - Darryl Sutter, "I guess box him out."

He liked some of the questions, but when the one reporter asked the same question twice (who was that?), he just gave him the gears.

S_C

[MacDaddy77]

Big win tonight, Flames come out strong and up 3-0 in first. 4-1 empty net final.

[Dan403]

Orange is a fugly color.

(Edit: Wrong thread, but I stand by it.)