[PGT] Flames Punk Themselves. 2-0 DAL

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Goriders

6 of 8 series are tied at 1-1. There’s a lot of parity in the league now.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much at this point. Dallas is a good team. The Flames weren’t going to sweep them. The Flames are also a good road team. We have to win one in Dallas now.

They’ll be fine. They have carried the majority of the play so far. They just have to figure out how to get to the slot more.

A lot of that parity is coming out east. The top 4 teams in the East get the priviledge of these favourable match ups?

Tampa Lightning?
Pittsburgh Penguins?
Washington Capitals?
Boston Bruins?

These 4 teams would be top 4 teams out West.

The Stars aren't a bad team but we have a more favourable match up than most. Oilers and Avs do as well and the Avs are up 2 to 0 and the Oilers similar to the Flames are probably the lowest ranked teams to finish in the top 2 in their division.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Were people expecting a sweep?

I kinda was. Flames were absolutely soaring to finish off the season. Dallas has struggled all year to score goals, and Markstrom has looked super sharp for weeks now.

The Flames got away from what worked for them. If they played the way they can, I'd say Dallas has no chance. It's a question of which Flames team shows up Saturday.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I kinda was. Flames were absolutely soaring to finish off the season. Dallas has struggled all year to score goals, and Markstrom has looked super sharp for weeks now.

The Flames got away from what worked for them. If they played the way they can, I'd say Dallas has no chance. It's a question of which Flames team shows up Saturday.

I was expecting us to lose 1 game max. End of the day Dallas has taken over the style and it's frustrating.
It's hard to watch our team just accept that this is the way. watching Edmonton in game 2 flip a switch is basically what I expected from the Flames.
I think it comes down to the teams mental toughness and once again it seems to be lacking. Sutter said it so many times this year and it looks like he hasn't been able to work it out of them. Tkachuk just kills me. Total no show, says all the right things then hides on the perimeter.
Not sure what to expect in games 3 and 4. Hope the boys are able to switch their mind set and play a more physical fast game that makes them successful.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Were people expecting a sweep?

No. But the Flames scoring one goal in two games is very troubling. The team has always struggled to produce in the playoffs. They are coming off a fantastic season offensively, but are putting up their worst playoff numbers yet.

It's very troubling.

[Shummy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Disagree strongly and it’s more of a philosophical difference between your opinion and mine.

Our fans are so entitled. We “need” stuff to cheer for, vs. Trying to get the team going. It’s a fine line and Flames fans were able to cheer and generate energy in a way to make the team believe in themselves in 2004, but when the fans doubt the players or sit on their hands we get what we got tonight.

The last time Flames fans were truly any good was almost 20 years ago. To think that Flames fans are great is what the joke is, they actually are extremely entitled. Flames fans need to realize they are actually a part of the team and the effort. Weak effort and weak building. Maybe if the fans cheered a little more and were a bit louder etc. then the team may have had more juice. There actually have been legit scientific studies regarding the reality of home field advantage in sports, it is an actual phenomenon.

So you can sit there and say “wah wasn’t entertaining enough for me” but then we will perpetually watch first round exits. The reason 2004 was so special was because the fans truly brought the heat pun intended.

You know in a lot of ways, I’m not sure Calgary fans deserve the Flames to be perfectly honest. Might be the most entitled fans in the NHL.

This actually might be one of the worst takes Ive ever read on this forum, which is a bold statement I know. HOw are flames fans entitled? Do you need a history lesson on our franchise's playoff history? Sorry if some fans are a little pessimistic going into the playoffs against any team. I think the teams constant failures in the 1st round is the direct result of that. Some fans paid over 200$ for a ticket to last nights game, sorry if they arent jumping up and down and banging on the glass with an effort like that. Seriously give your head a shake man. just a brutal take.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I’m more concerned about the state of the fan base than the state of the team after reading this thread.

Some of you could use a few months on Sutter’s farm to build some character.

Wish I could thank this post ten times.

Ask Colorado fans about how Dallas clogs games up in the postseason. Everyone expecting a sweep or close to might have to re-think their expectations.

Also, Damn you Joe Pavelski. Retire already!!!

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let me preface this by saying I am not, in any way, blaming the refs for the game last night but I would like to ask the following question:

Does anyone else think it is interesting that, when the Flames are down, instead of game management, the refs put their whistles away?

I find this to be a regular occurrence.

I don't know how Dallas fans feel but I thought officiating wasn't an issue last night.

I think the multiple 4-on-4s took some of the structure out of our game and the ability to roll four lines, but it was better than the penalty-fest in Game 1.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I kinda was. Flames were absolutely soaring to finish off the season. Dallas has struggled all year to score goals, and Markstrom has looked super sharp for weeks now.

The Flames got away from what worked for them. If they played the way they can, I'd say Dallas has no chance. It's a question of which Flames team shows up Saturday.

I would never expect a sweep but I don't always focus on the results. At some point I would just like to see they Flames win a series and during that series you feel like they are winning it convincingly. Even if they win it in 6 or 7 your not just sitting around hoping for a PP or a bounce, you are watching the other team hold on for dear life.

The Avs did this to us.

I typically watch the Flames and all the teams I hate and want to lose every year in playoffs. I hate the Penguins. The first of the recent back to back cups did they sweep every series? No, but they skated circles around every team they played and every series I was just hoping for those lucky bounces to go against the pens. That is 4 consecutive series, Flames have yet to have 1 series in the last 8 years where they won and they were clearly the better team.

They beat a very bad Vancouver team in 2015, it's probably the only series they have played where they were clearly the better team.

They played good against the Ducks one year as well but got swept. That might be the best series they have had in the Gaudreau era.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let me preface this by saying I am not, in any way, blaming the refs for the game last night but I would like to ask the following question:

Does anyone else think it is interesting that, when the Flames are down, instead of game management, the refs put their whistles away?

I find this to be a regular occurrence.

I don't recall any egregious missed calls in the 3rd period as I think the Stars were pretty disciplined. If every game was officiated like last night I would be pretty happy especially when you consider how poorly officiated the Oilers vs Kings series has been.

[vicarious]

Does anyone have a gif of the Pavelski post-goal high sticking embellishment?

[JohnnyB]

The Stars are playing their game very effectively. Even so, they've been the team on the back foot and just hanging on for probably 80% of this series so far.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I kinda was. Flames were absolutely soaring to finish off the season. Dallas has struggled all year to score goals, and Markstrom has looked super sharp for weeks now.

Goes to show how regular season is pretty meaningless. Take the Panthers, great regular season but their style of hockey has never worked in the playoffs. Now the Flames played playoff style hockey during the regular season but Dallas has adapted and plays the same way, with speed and finishing every check. It comes down to the Flames skill guys being better than their skill guys.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I want to preface this by saying that while I'm not an NHL defenceman, I play LD in EA Sports NHL so I know a few things about getting the puck out of my zone deep.

And I wouldn't try this stupid play in a million years when there's 2 easy options for me otherwise!!

Are you 100% perfect at your job? Serious question.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by vicarious

Does anyone have a gif of the Pavelski post-goal high sticking embellishment?

I thought it was clearly an accidental hit, but it really did clip him, so I’m not sure if I could call that an embellishment vs a natural reaction to a stick hit near an eye.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Are you 100% perfect at your job? Serious question.

No, but I put it behind the net to my D partner 100% of the time when I'm the situation Noah found himself in because it's the safe play.

[vicarious]

I didn't see a stick anywhere near his eye but I was in a busy Pub watching the game so maybe I missed something. To me it looked downright embarassing (For Joe).

[djsFlames]

I think it's in the best interest of the NHL for the Flames to eliminate the Stars for the sake of watchable hockey.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Disagree strongly and it’s more of a philosophical difference between your opinion and mine.

Our fans are so entitled. We “need” stuff to cheer for, vs. Trying to get the team going. It’s a fine line and Flames fans were able to cheer and generate energy in a way to make the team believe in themselves in 2004, but when the fans doubt the players or sit on their hands we get what we got tonight.

The last time Flames fans were truly any good was almost 20 years ago. To think that Flames fans are great is what the joke is, they actually are extremely entitled. Flames fans need to realize they are actually a part of the team and the effort. Weak effort and weak building. Maybe if the fans cheered a little more and were a bit louder etc. then the team may have had more juice. There actually have been legit scientific studies regarding the reality of home field advantage in sports, it is an actual phenomenon.

So you can sit there and say “wah wasn’t entertaining enough for me” but then we will perpetually watch first round exits. The reason 2004 was so special was because the fans truly brought the heat pun intended.

You know in a lot of ways, I’m not sure Calgary fans deserve the Flames to be perfectly honest. Might be the most entitled fans in the NHL.

Calgary doesn't "deserve" a team with almost zero playoff success over the last 30 years? Actually you're right, we don't deserve that. No one does

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

No, but I put it behind the net to my D partner 100% of the time when I'm the situation Noah found himself in because it's the safe play.

Noah was good in game 1 and was not so good in game 2. It happens.

Young players often need to learn to play in the playoffs. The game changes so dramatically. Literally becomes a war and there are so many hits that are just flat our penalties and don't happen in the regular season. Interference and holding, hooking all escalate. Young players sometimes take a few years to adjust

McDavid - stll needs to adjust and play through it
Marner - same
Matthews - same
Tkachuk - same

Johnny Gaudreau is flat out avoiding all contact. Sutter said it, you need to take a hit to win in the playoffs. So many 50/50 pucks in the playoffs and often players are engaging physically well before they even get to the puck. Johnny is avoiding all loose pucks. 6 points at even strength in 32 playoff games and another year of avoiding all contact. It is not going to change. If he doesn't light it up on the PP he will continue to struggle.

This team will not do any damage without our Hart Trophy candidate playing at a much higher level

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

A lot of that parity is coming out east. The top 4 teams in the East get the priviledge of these favourable match ups?

Tampa Lightning?
Pittsburgh Penguins?
Washington Capitals?
Boston Bruins?

These 4 teams would be top 4 teams out West.

The Stars aren't a bad team but we have a more favourable match up than most. Oilers and Avs do as well and the Avs are up 2 to 0 and the Oilers similar to the Flames are probably the lowest ranked teams to finish in the top 2 in their division.

I think your point is partially correct- likely the 3 lowest seeds in the W are the 3 'weakest' teams in the playoffs, but I'm not convinced that Washington (or Pittsburgh, Boston) would be 'top 4' for sure in the West. West top 4 (Col, Cgy, Stl, Min) had good regular reasons. they'd all be top 6 teams though I think