[OOT] Games May 4 - Four games

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If what you posted is true (you didn’t post a source) you just confirmed what I have been saying considering the 2020 finals averaged 3 million viewers. Killed the game. Or your numbers are wrong.

Yes, the September bubble Stanley Cup with no fans after a pause in the season was poorly watched because of the finals from 15 months before. This is so simplistic it's almost impressive.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Weitz

And trended down after that. So confirming what I have said? Has the nhl not tried to tone it down? Have penalties not gone up?

ha, yeah I bet people in 2020 were like "that game seven last year sucked lets not watch anymore games, not enough diving or penalties"

You literally said "nobody watches the Blues mug their way to a cup"

highest rated hockey game ever (I can post more sources if you want)

you were wrong, move on

[Weitz]

Penalties per game in the playoffs have increased every year (except last year) and on pace to increase this year.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Penalties per game in the playoffs have increased every year (except last year) and on pace to increase this year.

Every year since? You mean since the beginning of the NHL?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Every year since? You mean since the beginning of the NHL?

I think it’s 10 years or so, sorry.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Penalties per game in the playoffs have increased every year (except last year) and on pace to increase this year.

And?

Blues/Bruins "mug fest" as you called it was the highest rated hockey game ever, and its not even close


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honestly that is the finisher of your argument. People like skill but people also want hits, fights, and hard nosed play in the playoffs. Nobody wants more special teams and dives except maybe a team that is no good 5 on 5

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And?

Blues/Bruins "mug fest" as you called it was the highest rated hockey game ever, and its not even close


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honestly that is the finisher of your argument. People like skill but people also want hits, fights, and hard nosed play in the playoffs. Nobody wants more special teams and dives except maybe a team that is no good 5 on 5

Totally agree game one last night is a great example 2nd period was just 20 minutes of special teams it was boring, 3rd period no penalties best period of the game.

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[corporatejay]

2020 was a terrible year for TV/Playoffs

For the 2020 NBA Finals, the ratings dropped to a historic low, with one of the games drawing only 5.9 million viewers. The average viewers figure over 6 games was 7.5 million, which is a 51% decline from the previous year.



After two years of ratings growth, in 2020 the audience for the 17-week regular season NFL games dipped across all broadcast and cable networks. According to Nielsen, excluding rescheduled games because of the pandemic, the 2020 regular season averaged 15.4 million viewers (live + same day), a 7% decline from the previous regular season. It was the lowest average audience since 2017. When all televised games are included the average audience dropped to 14.9 million viewers. Despite the falloff, NFL ratings remain strong in a continuing fragmented video landscape. The audience delivery is more than triple the average viewership of regularly scheduled prime time shows on broadcast TV in the fall of 2020.

[djsFlames]

Both Toronto and Edmonton have surrendered home ice.

That's the reality of the situation.

[dino7c]

Oilers and their media are back to thinking they are the greatest team of all time...Kings are heading home mission accomplished

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Penalties per game in the playoffs have increased every year (except last year) and on pace to increase this year.

Ah, must be the reason ratings are down.

[dino7c]

NM, already made my point

[Enoch Root]

To summarize Weiss' argument:

Diving is good, because the league wants more penalties, because more penalties will lead to the better team winning (read: my team), which will lead to higher viewership because... NBA.

How does a person even come up with an argument this bad? When stated in its entirety like this, it sounds more like parody than an actual attempt at logic.

The answer: cognitive dissonance

The problem: my team are the worst divers in the league. I need to find a way to be okay with this.

Solution: my brain starts putting snippets together like a collage of newspaper clippings: "the league wants this", "it's good for the game", "ratings are higher when stars win", "Connor McDavid!"...

No Weiss, diving doesn't lead to higher viewership. Your team is an embarrassment. And now, you are an embarrassment too.

[OldSam]

The parade route should not go down Jasper. Too many potholes. Maybe Oiler fans, since they know everything about everything, could give us their vaunted opinions on how diving has lifted the NHL to soccer level. I find it telling that the year after McBaby pushed his way onto the Competition Committee, diving is rewarded at an astronomical rate. Good for you, Conner. You are making your embarrassing fall downs the new standard. Sure has improved the game. NOT!

[dino7c]

And if the league wants "more talent" in the playoffs longer they should change the format back to 1 vs 8 ect. so top teams aren't playing each other and a middle of the pack team like the Oilers doesn't get the Kings in round one.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by OldSam

The parade route should not go down Jasper. Too many potholes. Maybe Oiler fans, since they know everything about everything, could give us their vaunted opinions on how diving has lifted the NHL to soccer level. I find it telling that the year after McBaby pushed his way onto the Competition Committee, diving is rewarded at an astronomical rate. Good for you, Conner. You are making your embarrassing fall downs the new standard. Sure has improved the game. NOT!

I don’t like diving as part of the game and I don’t want to see it increased. Having said that, I do want to see the NHL refereed with consistency. A penalty is a penalty in the first period of the 38th regular season game or the 7th game of the Stanley Cup Finals.

[dino7c]

Grabbing someone's stick and then falling down is a penalty...embellishment should be called in game 38 or game 7 and heavily penalized upon review after the game.

diving is a major reason the refs can't call everything...if Smith isn't fined (he won't be) how can anyone ever be fined for diving again? It was a laughable dive that resulted in turning the entire game.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And if the league wants "more talent" in the playoffs longer they should change the format back to 1 vs 8 ect. so top teams aren't playing each other and a middle of the pack team like the Oilers doesn't get the Kings in round one.

The playoff format has never been about ‘more talent’. The league went to a divisional playoff format in 1981, along with an unbalanced schedule, because they found out the hard way that fans don't care about matchups against bad teams from random distant cities. The divisional matchups were intended to breed local rivalries, and for a long time that worked.

But nothing works forever, and after seeing Montreal vs. Boston in the playoffs for the 239th time, or Calgary vs. Vancouver for the 127th, the league began to feel the pinch again. So they went to conference-wide playoffs to bring in new matchups (and the first year they did it, they were rewarded with yet another Montreal-Boston series, but them's the breaks). That experiment might not have lasted long, but they had also reorganized the league into six divisions and it was impossible to have a 16-team playoff with a divisional bracket.

As soon as the league expanded beyond 30 teams, the reason for the six-division alignment disappeared, and they went back to four divisions with (largely) divisional playoffs for the same reasons they adopted that system back in the 80s.

Playoffs have never been about putting talented players on TV in the later rounds. They are about putting bums in high-priced seats, and the most reliable way to do that is to match up teams whose fans already know and hate each other.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The playoff format has never been about ‘more talent’. The league went to a divisional playoff format in 1981, along with an unbalanced schedule, because they found out the hard way that fans don't care about matchups against bad teams from random distant cities. The divisional matchups were intended to breed local rivalries, and for a long time that worked.

But nothing works forever, and after seeing Montreal vs. Boston in the playoffs for the 239th time, or Calgary vs. Vancouver for the 127th, the league began to feel the pinch again. So they went to conference-wide playoffs to bring in new matchups (and the first year they did it, they were rewarded with yet another Montreal-Boston series, but them's the breaks). That experiment might not have lasted long, but then they reorganized the league into six divisions and it became impossible to have a 16-team playoff with a divisional bracket.


As soon as the league expanded beyond 30 teams, the reason for the six-division alignment disappeared, and they went back to four divisions with (largely) divisional playoffs for the same reasons they adopted that system back in the 80s.

Playoffs have never been about putting talented players on TV in the later rounds. They are about putting bums in high-priced seats, and the most reliable way to do that is to match up teams whose fans already know and hate each other.

The talent thing was Weitz's argument, and only because he thinks the Oilers are talented when they are mid pack at best. I was just pointing out IF that is what the NHL wanted that would be a way...not calling more phantom penalties and allowing more diving.

I think if NHL fans had a vote they would chose 1 vs 8 playoffs though IMO

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I don’t like diving as part of the game and I don’t want to see it increased. Having said that, I do want to see the NHL refereed with consistency. A penalty is a penalty in the first period of the 38th regular season game or the 7th game of the Stanley Cup Finals.

Fans say this all the time, but they don't really mean it.

No one wants to see a constant parade to the penalty box. And no one wants to see a minor infraction called in OT or with 2 minutes left in a tie game.

If they called the rule book consistently last night, McDavid would have had 4 or 5 penalties.

What fans really want is fairness. But fairness will never happen because the only way to achieve that is to call everything. And again, no one wants that.

The inevitable result is the refs make calls based on the situation - which is exactly what we get.