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Old 04-24-2022, 03:03 AM   #141
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Is it outlandish for me to think that Vegas would have kept Stone & Martinez on LTIR until game 1 of the playoffs, and not try to trade Dadanov, if they were sitting comfortably in a playoff spot?
Yes, it is. They returned Stone and Martinez to the lineup because they were required by the LTIR rules to do so. (The poster who said they are not required to do so is incorrect. Most of the LTIR rules are not written in the CBA, but in separate documents. Multiple sources have reported that these documents specify that a player must return to active status when medically cleared.)

The Knights were able to make cap room to activate them because they had several other players on regular IR.

That regular IR is the elephant in the room, and OptimalTates and I seem to be the only ones who can see it. At one point, that $93-million payroll (which people think they can call a $100-million payroll because reasons) translated into only $55 million worth of players actually on the active roster. At one point, if my memory of Capfriendly serves, the Knights had eight players on injured reserve, but only three of those were on LTIR. That's because you don't put injured players on LTIR unless and until you need the cap relief. It isn't some sinister coincidence that those guys went on LTIR when the cap relief was needed; it's how the system is supposed to work.

The obvious fact of the matter is that Vegas had plenty of injured players that they could have put on LTIR at any time. When they needed to activate Stone and Martinez, they put some of those players on LTIR to stay within the rules. It wasn't some brilliant but evil conspiracy. It was a team that got greedy with the Eichel trade because they had to collect all the toys, and spent the rest of the season bungling their way through the cap hell they put themselves in. The biggest bungle of all was the failed Dadonov trade, and the result of all the bungles collectively is that they are probably going to miss the playoffs for the first time in franchise history.

But some people will go on telling themselves it was an evil master plan. There was no such plan.
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:09 AM   #142
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It was an evil master plan but Vegas got caught monolouging.
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:31 AM   #143
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Gotta think that dressing room is gonna test itself apart after missing playoffs. Haha
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Old 04-24-2022, 08:51 AM   #144
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Maybe Eichel will request a trade.
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Old 04-24-2022, 10:59 AM   #145
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They only have a couple UFA in Reilly and Janmark. I think they’re going to again over do it with some type of team improving trade or big free agent signing that will actually make them worse due to poor team chemistry. They blew their load early and it’s all post high school quarterback from here on out.
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Old 04-24-2022, 11:23 AM   #146
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So is Lenny hurt? Or fine?
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Old 04-24-2022, 11:41 AM   #147
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So is Lenny hurt? Or fine?
Sounds like just his feelings are hurt
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Old 04-24-2022, 11:46 AM   #148
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He's not at practice today. No idea what is really going on but I did hear he "feels disrespected" whatever that means.

I like Lehner but Vegas hitched their wagon to the wrong goalie.
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So is Lenny hurt? Or fine?
According to Friedman, Lehner was frustrated he was getting criticized for his performance while he was playing through an injury. After he got pulled in last game he said f it I am going to get the surgery.

Apparently Vegas is now trying to convince him not to go through with it and finish the season.

At the very least it sounds like a rift is opening between the player and coaching staff.

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Very Oileresqe situation up there. Player playing through injuries to help the team and the coach is throwing him under the bus rather than praising him for battling through it. Stark contrast compared to how the Flames treated Monahan. I think Vegas is really starting to burn a lot of bridges the way they have treated players.
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After that goal against the Devil's they should have known his heart wasn't in it...shocked they started him the next game
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Old 04-24-2022, 12:31 PM   #153
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Lol this team
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The funny thing is I really enjoyed how they played that first season. They were a heck of a lot of fun to watch. Business, politics aside they were a fast, fun team that played hard not unlike this current iteration of the Flames. But man did they ever burn that team to the ground including the coach.

Wish nothing but the worst results wise for them now.
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Emergency backup has the same build as Lehner
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Emergency backup has the same build as Lehner
Another cap circumvention tactic! Pretend your #1 goalie is done for the year and then sneak him in as the emergency. Cheaters!
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Old 04-24-2022, 01:20 PM   #158
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Freddie Brathwaite is the Henderson goalie coach. Maybe they can convince him to strap the pads on again.
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According to Friedman, Lehner was frustrated he was getting criticized for his performance while he was playing through an injury. After he got pulled in last game he said f it I am going to get the surgery.

Apparently Vegas is now trying to convince him not to go through with it and finish the season.

At the very least it sounds like a rift is opening between the player and coaching staff.
Jesus. What a mess.

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Yes, it is. They returned Stone and Martinez to the lineup because they were required by the LTIR rules to do so. (The poster who said they are not required to do so is incorrect. Most of the LTIR rules are not written in the CBA, but in separate documents. Multiple sources have reported that these documents specify that a player must return to active status when medically cleared.)
In theory, yes, this is how it works. In practice, though, you have to wonder if in some cases the rules aren't actually enforced the way they're meant to be. Furthermore, it may sometimes just be flat out impossible to enforce the rule. How do you completely prove, for example, that someone who had a concussion has now recovered from it and is healthy enough to play? Same thing with other long term type injuries such as back, knee, etc.

I think they could have kept Stone/Martinez on LTIR for longer if they really wanted to.
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