How can a guy with his abusive history get a job coaching kids?
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Some parents may pull their kids from that team.
Are you guys not familiar with hockey parents? GP will use this a huge selling point for their program, and parents will buy it. Coached in the NHL, contacts all over US, developed NHLers
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
How much does an AJHL coach make? Maybe $50,000/year?
Chances are they will also name him GM, give him the keys to the local hockey academy, more titles more $$. And in GP they could even line him up with some sort of oilfield title with one of the team sponsors.
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Yeah I'm not sure I want to live in a world where nobody ever gets a second chance again.
Is he a monster? Maybe ... but as long as the AJHL and GP looked into things, and are confident that he is remorseful and fully understanding where he want wrong and what he needs to improve I'm all for him getting a second chance.
If that's not true ... if he's a racist person the core and will never change and GP wants a name coach that's on them.
Hope that's not the case.
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Yeah I'm not sure I want to live in a world where nobody ever gets a second chance again.
Is he a monster? Maybe ... but as long as the AJHL and GP looked into things, and are confident that he is remorseful and fully understanding where he want wrong and what he needs to improve I'm all for him getting a second chance.
If that's not true ... if he's a racist person the core and will never change and GP wants a name coach that's on them.
Hope that's not the case.
Wasn’t his second chance going to Russia and failing there like he has in most of his other coaching stops? Definition of a mediocre coach who has verbally and physically abused his players in the past. He now gets a third chance coaching kids. The guy is 55 he should just retire to the background. I have no hope for his redemption.
That's a pretty negative outlook. His redemption shouldn't be tied with wins and losses. He should be afforded the opportunity to work as long as he wants. If he hasn't changed or improved as a person it will come out in time and if it doesn't then it's a positive that a person like this has been rehabilitated. We can't just dispose of every human being that makes mistakes.
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Wasn’t his second chance going to Russia and failing there like he has in most of his other coaching stops? Definition of a mediocre coach who has verbally and physically abused his players in the past. He now gets a third chance coaching kids. The guy is 55 he should just retire to the background. I have no hope for his redemption.
I don't have any skin in this.
This is on the league and the team. If they've done their due diligence as I said above then he deserves a second chance.
If the diligence says he doesn't deserve a second chance than they blew it.
The culture has changed. Coaches used to treat players much differently than they do today, and if second chances were outlawed you could probably make an argument that Laviolette, Crawford, Hartley and possibly even Sutter should be out of the game.
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Wasn’t his second chance going to Russia and failing there like he has in most of his other coaching stops? Definition of a mediocre coach who has verbally and physically abused his players in the past. He now gets a third chance coaching kids. The guy is 55 he should just retire to the background. I have no hope for his redemption.
So you'd have hope for redemption if he's a winning coach?
What does his winning/losing record have to do with anything?
I’m more concerned with how he behaves going forward than how he did in the past. But it’s a risk for the team to take and that’s in them. Maybe it works out for both them and Peters.
This is on the league and the team. If they've done their due diligence as I said above then he deserves a second chance.
If the diligence says he doesn't deserve a second chance than they blew it.
The culture has changed. Coaches used to treat players much differently than they do today, and if second chances were outlawed you could probably make an argument that Laviolette, Crawford, Hartley and possibly even Sutter should be out of the game.
I like to look the positive from the Babcock and Peters situations in that it's going to pave the way for new and improved methods of coaching that aren't solely based on fear and mental (or even physical) abuse. That this type of coaching (as successful as it may have been in the win/loss column) will no longer be emulated by up and coming coaches. I think even this current version of Darryl has evolved as he's still prodding his players and keeping them on their toes but there's an underlying vibe of positivity around him and the team that I think was maybe missing in his last year as Flames head coach.
So you'd have hope for redemption if he's a winning coach?
What does his winning/losing record have to do with anything?
I personally hope he fails in this position like he did in his last 3 coaching stops. I don’t think he should be coaching kids. I don’t care if he wants to live and work in Russia but I don’t wish him any professional success moving forward.
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i am conflicted aboutt his as well; however, in the end my kid is not playing there, and it is unlikely i will attend a game to watch this.
Bingo make a good point about the game changes and coaches have changed as well.
on the plus side, from a coaching perspective he can bring a lot to the team given he has coached in the NHL. and living in GP and riding the bus in Jr A is hardly a life of luxury
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He will fit in there...this from having a son that played competitive hockey in GP. As an aside, I hope nothing but the best for the Storm, I have watched a lot of Storm games, far more than any other AJHL team and both my boys have jerseys from being "Honorary Captains".
To me this situation reminds me of Babcock’s interview on the Cam & Strick podcast.
Mike didn’t think he did anything wrong, my impression was he viewed he was a victim of cancel culture, and he’s a good guy because Ken Holland would only hire good guys.
Has Bill made any public statements on how he made a mistake, has grown as a person, learned from his past actions to become a better person and in turn a better coach?
Has he apologized to Akim Aliu for sewering his career?
In lieu of the Kyle Beech situation, sewering is something the Blackhawks organization is known for when it comes to addressing controversy and difficult situations.
Maybe he has and I missed it. Until he owns his malicious negligence, this reeks of another gutless coward using nepotism to help his son, just like his mentor Babcock getting his son (Michael Babcock) https://huskies.usask.ca/sports/mens...el-babcock/452 on the U of S coaching staff.
No one who is competent and in a position of influence is fooled by this anymore and hockey’s days of crony nepotism are numbered. Cue Mike & Mike getting hired by the Oilers.
^ I think he made a public statement right away mentioning it was an isolated incident, didn’t reflect his values, and that he was truly sorry, included in his resignation letter
He hasn't actually been hired yet has he? Just a candidate? By all accounts he hasn't taken any training or education on these issues...hard to argue he deserves a second chance if he isn't willing to educate himself.
^ I think he made a public statement right away mentioning it was an isolated incident, didn’t reflect his values, and that he was truly sorry, included in his resignation letter
Right. I remember this, and how he specifically avoided addressing Aliu directly.
I also remember Burke saying on Sportsnet that multiple teams had issues with Aliu. As if hockey’s groupthink culture hasn’t protected disgusting behaviour in the past. I think Burke has even walked some of that back realizing what happened.
How much does an AJHL coach make? Maybe $50,000/year?
Depends on the team, I would say. And it's probably a really big range, like $20,000 to $150,000. I know even 20 years ago, Fort McMurray was paying six figures for their coach.
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