Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[btimbit]

Does his injury prevent a simple buyout?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

What would it take to get Monahan's contract off the books? A first round pick?

He will be on LTIR until the Flames have another injury and activate him

We will be the cheaters next season

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by agulati

I believe they did away with that in the last CBA signed in 2020.

You mean, they have all summer to sign him to 8 years?

[agulati]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

You mean, they have all summer to sign him to 8 years?

Well they have as long as it takes for him to sign any sort of contract, with any team. For 8 years, I think the deadline is July 1st (or first day of free agency) I believe.

Just that the pre-FA courting period is legally not part of the CBA. I’m sure conversations are had, though. There is no way so many free agents are announced as signings minutes into the free agency, if that didn’t happen

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by agulati

Well they have as long as it takes for him to sign any sort of contract, with any team.

Just that the pre-FA courting period is legally not part of the CBA. I’m sure conversations are had, though. There is no way so many free agents are announced as signings minutes into the free agency, if that didn’t happen

Yeah I understood that part.

For 8 years, I think the deadline is July 1st (or first day of free agency) I believe.

It should be a rule tho'; Having the team that owned the players rights pre-TDL, to have the right to offer 8 years all summer. Basically, providing time into actual Free Agency, so the player can come back to his home club's offer. vs the rushed courting period.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yeah I understood that part.



It should be a rule tho'; Having the team that owned the players rights pre-TDL, to have the right to offer 8 years all summer. Basically, providing time into actual Free Agency, so the player can come back to his home club's offer. vs the rushed courting period.

Yes this does seems strange to me. Why can’t a player go, explore other options and decide to sign with their prior team? Doesn’t really seem to favour players teams or agents so I don’t understand why not.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by agulati

Tkachuk did have 77 points on Backlund’s wing back in 2018-19. Though he probably did see PP time with Johnny

Yes for sure, he’s a great player. But they are both that much better together. Finding that kind of chemistry at any time your career is pretty rare. These guys have it in hand. Have to think that is a motivating factor for a number of reasons.


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[Britflamesfan]

To me a lot comes down to how JG performs in the playoffs. If he disappears again then you have to think long and hard about committing such large sums to a player who does not play well when the playing gets tough. So with both players getting paid very large sums of money we will be losing probably half our defence and maybe Eat Bread as well. Its going to be a very different team next year, one way or another.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

To me a lot comes down to how JG performs in the playoffs. If he disappears again then you have to think long and hard about committing such large sums to a player who does not play well when the playing gets tough. So with both players getting paid very large sums of money we will be losing probably half our defence and maybe Eat Bread as well. Its going to be a very different team next year, one way or another.

Lets see what Johnny does with healthy line mates this time around, the only time he did he had 9 points in 11 games, being saddled to a broken Monahan and double teamed doesn't mean he disappeared.

[Enoch Root]

1) Pinder doesn't know what the Flames are willing to offer, and

2) He doesn't even know if they're willing to offer 8 years.

So for him to use the word 'undoubtedly' is a bit of a stretch. The point he was trying to make is valid, in that an 8 year offer would probably be a bigger total amount than any 7 year year deal, but there is no certainty here.

As JayRandom pointed out however, there are advantages to being able to offer an 8 year deal, which gives them more flexibility than other teams.

So I'll say this: if Gaudreau signs with Calgary (and I think he will), I think it is very likely to be an 8 year deal. Because for any other term, it is too easy to get outbid.

Conversely, I think it's quite possible Tkachuk signs a shorter term. I could even see something like a 3 year deal. Lots of cross currents here.

[tvp2003]

Depending on how the playoffs go, I bet they package the “C” with Tkachuk’s extension. Keith wore the C, Brady has the C — don’t think that isn’t lost on Matthew…

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

1) Pinder doesn't know what the Flames are willing to offer, and

2) He doesn't even know if they're willing to offer 8 years.

So for him to use the word 'undoubtedly' is a bit of a stretch. The point he was trying to make is valid, in that an 8 year offer would probably be a bigger total amount than any 7 year year deal, but there is no certainty here.

As JayRandom pointed out however, there are advantages to being able to offer an 8 year deal, which gives them more flexibility than other teams.

So I'll say this: if Gaudreau signs with Calgary (and I think he will), I think it is very likely to be an 8 year deal. Because for any other term, it is too easy to get outbid.

Conversely, I think it's quite possible Tkachuk signs a shorter term. I could even see something like a 3 year deal. Lots of cross currents here.

If the Flames are not willing to offer Johnny 8 years, they may as well sell the team, as they obviously aren't willing to do what is necessary to keep elite talent.

Whether 8 years will age well with Johnny is really meaningless. It's the cost of contending. You need to be prepared to plug your nose and sign these deals or be a forever bubble team.

[Manhattanboy]

Johnny is going to win the Conn Smythe trophy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Johnny is going to win the Conn Smythe trophy.

That's way better than the Hart. I know a goalie has won in a losing cause on occasion, but has a non-goalie ever won after losing? It can't be often.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That's way better than the Hart. I know a goalie has won in a losing cause on occasion, but has a non-goalie ever won after losing? It can't be often.

Reggie Leach in 1976 is the only time

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by jg13

Reggie Leach in 1976 is the only time

There was a lot of talk about the possibility of Peter Forsberg winning the Conn Smythe in 2002, even though Colorado was eliminated in the third round. He had missed the entire offseason, preseason and regular season recovering from a ruptured spleen and multiple foot surgeries, but came back in time for the playoffs... and was the leading scorer in the playoffs without his team even playing in the Finals. It ended up going to Lidstrom.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Flames are not willing to offer Johnny 8 years, they may as well sell the team, as they obviously aren't willing to do what is necessary to keep elite talent.

Whether 8 years will age well with Johnny is really meaningless. It's the cost of contending. You need to be prepared to plug your nose and sign these deals or be a forever bubble team.

The Flames are certainly prepared to offer 8 years. The intersection of $ and those 8 years is the question. as with most long term deals you have to understand that the last couple years are not going to be "value" years. And for JG the question will be - is that 8 year deal more than I can get on 7 or less in FA? Counting taxes.

[Vinny01]

Gaudreau can get 8 years with another team if they offer the Flames something worth their while to accommodate prior to the start of free agency.

I recall last offseason the Oilers were trying to do that with the Leafs and Hyman but whatever the Oilers offered Toronto wasn’t worth it to them

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gaudreau can get 8 years with another team if they offer the Flames something worth their while to accommodate prior to the start of free agency.

I recall last offseason the Oilers were trying to do that with the Leafs and Hyman but whatever the Oilers offered Toronto wasn’t worth it to them

It would have to be a sign and trade. Only Calgary can now sign him to a 8 year deal once the trade deadline has passed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It would have to be a sign and trade. Only Calgary can now sign him to a 8 year deal once the trade deadline has passed.

Exactly. Toronto let Hyman negotiate with other teams and once he came to terms with the Oilers they planned to negotiate a trade on an 8 year deal. Toronto wanted a 2nd/3rd and the Oilers wanted to send a 6th/7th and when they couldn’t agree Hyman signed for 7 years at the same total $ he was going to sign the 8 year deal for.

If a team wants to give Johnny $84M the Flames could ask for a decent return as the difference in cap from $12M to 10.5M is significant. Hopefully he just signs for that deal in Calgary