Russia invades Ukraine

[Cheese]

Another great thread from General Hertling here..

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/sta...dbT_0wSWA&s=09

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Poland government is officially accusing Russia and its agents of setting a bomb in 2010 leading to the plane crash that killed then Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his entire staff returning from a state visit to Russia. One has to wonder how long they've been sitting on this info.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...esident-201780

I'm not buying it. Kaczynski was on the last year of his term. The plane took off on Warsaw. You can't just walk in and plant a bomb on Polish President plane,let alone do it in Polish Capita. Risk of failure is high and consequences of failure are enormous. Also, my understanding is that it's fairly easy to tell whether the plane exploded in the air or hit the ground in one piece, and evidence seems to suggest that the plane hit the ground in one piece. Basically I call BS on theory that Russians planted a bomb on Polish President jet in Warsaw. Way too hard and risky to pull off. If such thing was possible, US would have long assassinated Putin by now.

Also it seems as NATO is getting more and more forensic evidence against Putin. Which they may use to justify some kind of attack on Russia.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I'm not buying it. Kaczynski was on the last year of his term. The plane took off on Warsaw. You can't just walk in and plant a bomb on Polish President plane,let alone do it in Polish Capita. Risk of failure is high and consequences of failure are enormous. Also, my understanding is that it's fairly easy to tell whether the plane exploded in the air or hit the ground in one piece, and evidence seems to suggest that the plane hit the ground in one piece. Basically I call BS on theory that Russians planted a bomb on Polish President jet in Warsaw. Way too hard and risky to pull off. If such thing was possible, US would have long assassinated Putin by now.

Why won't Russia let Poland have the plane to investigate it themselves?

[burn_this_city]

Everything seems to indicate it was pilot error in poor weather.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster

[CliffFletcher]

As much as we’re all glad to see Poland helping Ukraine and standing up to Russia, we need to keep in mind that its current government is Trump-grade sketchy.

[burn_this_city]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514694898221518856

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514694898221518856

Not my joke:

Russian MoD confirms heroic Russian cruiser Moskva promoted to submarine.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Everything seems to indicate it was pilot error in poor weather.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster

like I'm going to trust Wikipedia.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514694898221518856

This is about as believable as the dog ate my homework

[Itse]

Doesn't really matter much how credible the charges are in this situation, the reactions are likely all pure politics anyway.

[T-Dog]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514694898221518856

Wonderful news.

[burn_this_city]

Seems like the loss of the flagship is causing some morale issues on telegram.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514714628219154460

[Azure]

Now I'm wondering if there is a way to get the grain stockpiles that Ukraine has to market to alleviate some of this pressure on food prices.

[Jordan!]

Now they can outfit all of the Oligarch yachts with missle launchers! problem solved. lmao

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Seems like the loss of the flagship is causing some morale issues on telegram.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514714628219154460

Interesting seeing the last comment, that they think that NATO troops are in Odessa and are responsible for the sinking of the Moskva. It's probably unbelievable to them that it's the Ukrainians alone who are pushing back this hard.

This conflict has exposed that NATO would eviscerate them in a conventional war. Other than that making the military command in Russia pretty worried, I would wonder what is going through the heads of China's government right now. They have always had a tonne of respect for the military power of Russia.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Interesting seeing the last comment, that they think that NATO troops are in Odessa and are responsible for the sinking of the Moskva. It's probably unbelievable to them that it's the Ukrainians alone who are pushing back this hard.

This conflict has exposed that NATO would eviscerate them in a conventional war. Other than that making the military command in Russia pretty worried, I would wonder what is going through the heads of China's government right now. They have always had a tonne of respect for the military power of Russia.

China is looking at Siberia and thinking 'hmmm...I guess we could just take that'

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Interesting seeing the last comment, that they think that NATO troops are in Odessa and are responsible for the sinking of the Moskva. It's probably unbelievable to them that it's the Ukrainians alone who are pushing back this hard.

This conflict has exposed that NATO would eviscerate them in a conventional war. Other than that making the military command in Russia pretty worried, I would wonder what is going through the heads of China's government right now. They have always had a tonne of respect for the military power of Russia.

Would have to think an amphibious assault on Taiwan would be riskier than a land invasion and could be a disaster for China. Russia seemed far more battle tested and they're being smashed by a smaller country with 30% the population and 10% the armed forces budget.

[Bagor]

So how exactly would this drone distraction ploy work?

Does the tracking radar of the Moskva's air defence system seriously only have a 180° field of view when looking at a potential threat? Or is it only capable of locking onto one threat at a time? Or is it human incompetence and tunnel vision?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Bagor

So how exactly would this drone distraction ploy work?

Does the tracking radar of the Moskva's air defence system seriously only have a 180° field of view when looking at a potential threat? Or is it only capable of locking onto one threat at a time? Or is it human incompetence and tunnel vision?

Probably a little from column A and a little from Column C

[Bagor]

Found this that suggests weather was selectively chosen also.

Main radar only has 180 field of view and the less capable radar with 360 would have had trouble picking out the missiles against the waves.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514498197489659909

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514499866394873858

https://twitter.com/user/status/1514500108230045697