Kings Defenseman Drew Doughty out for season

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Actually, yes I do. So do you. So does everyone. It's just that some of us are willing to admit it and others aren't.

It would kind of be like if the Flames suddenly added Jack Eichel to their lineup for Game 1 of the playoffs. Would the narrative around here be "I don't know if he can flip the switch"...?

Actually, no you don't.

[Mathgod]

lol

You can play dumb all you want, Enoch. People know the truth.

[Scorch]

So… this is a La Kings Doughty injury thread…

Why are we talking about Vegas and the Oilers?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Actually, yes I do. So do you. So does everyone. It's just that some of us are willing to admit it and others aren't.

It would kind of be like if the Flames suddenly added Jack Eichel to their lineup for Game 1 of the playoffs. Would the narrative around here be "I don't know if he can flip the switch"...?

They might miss the playoffs yet you keep talking them up like they are the 1985 Oilers or something.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

It’s not about that.

It’s about the fact we hate Vegas and never want them to succeed.

I know it’s the same for the Oilers but for some reason I just can’t stand Vegas whereas the Oilers is like hate but with some semblance of mutual respect.

All Vegas has known is success and it pisses me off.

Not to mention a Flames vs Oilers 2nd round would be epic.

Absou-fu#k!n-lutely not. The Losers deserve no respect.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe the Oilers will beat the Knights as well but likely in a gruelling 6 or 7 game series.

Lol, really?? Vegas is built for playoff hockey. The Oilers aren’t. Edmonton likely loses that series in 6 games or less IMO. The Oilers’ terrible D and goaltending will be their undoing.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They might miss the playoffs yet you keep talking them up like they are the 1985 Oilers or something.

Take Johnny out of the lineup for 2 months and Mangiapane out of the lineup for a month, and the Flames would be in a precarious spot too.

Vegas with their full lineup is probably equal to the Flames, if not slightly better.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Just about any playoffs result is palatable as long as the Oilers are humiliated. The freaking Leafs could win a cup and the Oilers getting swept would be a welcome consolation.

But we could do the humiliating.

I personally would love to experience a Flames vs Oilers playoff round.

I also hate Vegas pretty much as much as I hate the Oilers.

They are like the previous version of the Ducks who back then I hated just as much as the Oilers as well.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Absou-fu#k!n-lutely not. The Losers deserve no respect.

Hahahaha I mean cause we are both Albertan and to tell you the truth I find Oilers fans way more respectful than Canucks fans and Leafs fans.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Hahahaha I mean cause we are both Albertan and to tell you the truth I find Oilers fans way more respectful than Canucks fans and Leafs fans.

Nah. Oiler fans are no good.

[dino7c]

Some of you are acting like we have a say in what happens...Vegas is two points back with a game in hand, if they are the better team down the stretch they will earn that spot. If the Flames want a cup they are going to need to beat good teams.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Scenario 1: Oilers get pumped in 4 straight to Vegas, each game by a 10-0 score. Knights defeat Flames in round 2.

Scenario 2: Oilers win round 1 easily vs Kings. Flames defeat Oilers in round 2 en route to Stanley Cup championship.

Some on this board would actually choose scenario 1. It's sad, really...

So in your scenario, we're able to magically beat teams like the Avs and the Panthers / Canes / Lightning, but have no chance against the Knights?

Screw that. I want Vegas in to run the Oilers out, then the Flames earn that championship by beating the best teams.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Inferno

If the Flames can't beat Vegas they don't deserve to make the conference finals anyway.

Screw the Oilers. They shouldn't even be in the playoff picture.

With their cap shenanigans and continuing to keep now healthy players on LTIR to remain “cap compliant” rather than making the necessary salary dump trades, I certainly don’t want to see Vegas make the playoffs and take advantage of a $90+M roster. They still could have made salary dump trades after the deadline to be compliant with the part of the LTIR rule that states that players may not remain on IR when they are fit to play. VGK’s attempt to do a salary dump trade at the deadline for a player already on IR showed that they did intend to activate a player following that proposed trade, or the transaction would have otherwise hurt their playoff prospects.

If the Golden Knights miss the playoffs this year, that will be their just reward.

[SeanCharles]

Oilers and Vegas are #1 and #2 on the most hated list so I don’t even know why we are discussing this.

In a perfect world they would both miss the playoffs but if I’m going to pick one it would be the Oilers to make it cause a playoff round against them would be something many of us haven’t experienced. I have playoff tickets so I personally would love to experience it.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Scorch

So… this is a La Kings Doughty injury thread…

Why are we talking about Vegas and the Oilers?

Because every thread devolves into an obsessive Oilers pile-on these days, because no one can add meaningful discussion to other topics apparently.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

With their cap shenanigans and continuing to keep now healthy players on LTIR to remain “cap compliant” rather than making the necessary salary dump trades, I certainly don’t want to see Vegas make the playoffs and take advantage of a $90+M roster. They still could have made salary dump trades after the deadline to be compliant with the part of the LTIR rule that states that players may not remain on IR when they are fit to play. VGK’s attempt to do a salary dump trade at the deadline for a player already on IR showed that they did intend to activate a player following that proposed trade, or the transaction would have otherwise hurt their playoff prospects.

If the Golden Knights miss the playoffs this year, that will be their just reward.

I would rather they not either. But it's looking like LA is starting to fall apart.

Them being way over the cap isn't going to guarantee them playoff success either. We don't know how well all of the players who were out will click once they start playing again. Practice isn't the same as playing games. It might be good enough to get them past the Oilers' suspect goaltending and defense but not so easy against the Flames with Sutter behind the bench.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So in your scenario, we're able to magically beat teams like the Avs and the Panthers / Canes / Lightning, but have no chance against the Knights?

Screw that. I want Vegas in to run the Oilers out, then the Flames earn that championship by beating the best teams.

Huh? No, I never said the Flames could "magically" beat anyone. I was just making the point that some on here are so preoccupied with Oiler failure that it seems more important to them than Flames success.

Of course the Flames are not going to "magically" beat any opponent. Any series is going to be a dogfight, no matter who the opponent is.

But the Flames' chances of success go up when the opposition has a weaker roster. The Flames' chances of success go down when the opposition has a stronger roster. I want the Flames to always have the best chance at success. It really is that simple.

Vegas is a stacked team when everyone is healthy and they have a full lineup. Look at the December 5th game, now add Jack Eichel and Alec Martinez to that Vegas lineup... now maybe you begin to understand the concern?

Again, the notion of having "earned" the cup more so by beating all the best teams en route to the cup, is pointless to me. All that really matters is the number of games you won and how far you got in the playoffs. If the Flames can have an easier route to the conference finals, having played fewer games (and be healthier and fresher for that series than they otherwise would be), that's a positive. If they have to duke it out in a gruelling 7 game series vs Vegas, they're more likely to incur more injures and more fatigue in general - which works against them in rounds 3 and 4.

Remember the '04 Flames had injury troubles and dealt with major fatigue, which is why they had such a hard time putting Tampa away in the latter half of that series. Tampa had played 3 fewer games than the Flames prior to the finals, and it worked to their advantage. Yes the Flames got robbed in game 6, but it really wouldn't have come down to that if the Flames were a bit healthier (or Tampa was a bit less healthy).

[tvp2003]

Stone is almost ready to play again, could be as early as tonight against Vancouver. Meanwhile, LA is in a freefall and likely would be an easy out in Round 1.

Sign me up for VGK vs EDM -- I hope they beat each other up and that EDM loses in quadruple overtime of game 7.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Take Johnny out of the lineup for 2 months and Mangiapane out of the lineup for a month, and the Flames would be in a precarious spot too.

Vegas with their full lineup is probably equal to the Flames, if not slightly better.

On paper, without question.

But the difference between teams is actually pretty minimal, and it comes down to who is playing well. And the fact of the matter is that Vegas hasn't played well all year, due - primarily - to their injuries. Could they put it all together and become world beaters in the playoffs? Sure. But so could the Oilers. Or any other team.

We just don't know.

So many of us revert to the standard and correct position of: #### the Oilers.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They might miss the playoffs yet you keep talking them up like they are the 1985 Oilers or something.

they don't need to be the 85 Oilers, just the 2012 Kings...luckily we have their coach