[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[Weitz]

Exactly. The money savings was losing dadanov. Not acquiring Kessler.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That is clearly wrong. Acquiring the contract does not give you any additional cap space beyond the space required to pay that contract.



David Pagnotta is wrong. The language of the CBA is quite clear. But journalists are not noted for their understanding of mathematics.

When you acquire a player and put him on LTIR, he counts against your cap, but you are allowed to exceed the cap by the same amount. If you add a $7 million injured player, you pay $7 million against your cap and receive the right to spend $7 million on a replacement. You gain no cap benefit from this. The two numbers cancel out. All it means is that you are out of pocket by the actual cash amount of the injured player's salary.

THERE IS NO BENEFIT.

Why are some people unable to understand this very simple arithmetic?

It's very simple but mind-bottling at the same time...kinda like seasonal time changes

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The spin is going to be hilarious if Vegas makes it and multiple players are suddenly good to go even though it's impossible to get past the league's LTIR watch dogs.

$100 says at least two LTIR players play in round one if Vegas makes it...any takers?

There will be no takers because it is obvious that there will be some players playing even through injuries that may otherwise keep them sidelined if not for the playoffs. There is a point at which doctors will stop saying " he can't play," and start saying "he can play, but I wouldn't recommend it." This is what happens down the stretch and in the playoffs. There is nothing "magical" or "miraculous" about players returning to action even if it is against a doctor's recommendation.


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[Enoch Root]

Also, some of these players have been out for a while - they are going to get healthy at some point. If a player returns for game 3 of the playoffs (more than a week after the season ended), is that an example of cheating? What if it's 2 weeks after? Three weeks? Where is the line?

I agree that if 3 guys are suddenly healthy, as soon as the playoffs start, that is pretty obvious. But until that actually happens, let's just wait and see how it plays out.

[dino7c]

At least two will guys come off LTIR game one

[Groot]

Originally Posted by dino7c

At least two will guys come off LTIR game one

Pretty sure I haven't seen people disagree with that.

If you were to rate where you think their health currently is, based on 100% being perfectly healthy, what % do you think the LTIR players are now, and what % do you think they will be if/when they return for the playoffs?

It seems like you believe they're 100% now and will be 100% on game 1.

Others believe they are maybe 60% right now which is not healthy enough to play regular reason, and they could get to between 60-80% by playoffs, which is healthy enough to ignore Dr recommendations and play anyway, cause it's the playoffs.

[Philly06Cup]

Tampa / Vegas are dirty cheaters, and nothing will convince some people otherwise.

Cheating / Loopholes = emotional reaction.

Emotional reactions = likely to ignore facts that don't fit your narrative.


Makes me think about politics and how deeply entrenched people can be in their beliefs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Groot

Pretty sure I haven't seen people disagree with that.

If you were to rate where you think their health currently is, based on 100% being perfectly healthy, what % do you think the LTIR players are now, and what % do you think they will be if/when they return for the playoffs?

It seems like you believe they're 100% now and will be 100% on game 1.

Others believe they are maybe 60% right now which is not healthy enough to play regular reason, and they could get to between 60-80% by playoffs, which is healthy enough to ignore Dr recommendations and play anyway, cause it's the playoffs.

I have never said they are 100%...I said players aren't playing because of cap issues. They thought they could rest a few guys and have a 90M in the playoffs...it blew up in their face a bit, they might make it though and ice their real team. No way the league should have allowed the Eichel deal IMO. They had no cap space and joked that "guys get injured"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Tampa / Vegas are dirty cheaters, and nothing will convince some people otherwise.

Cheating / Loopholes = emotional reaction.

Emotional reactions = likely to ignore facts that don't fit your narrative.


Makes me think about politics and how deeply entrenched people can be in their beliefs.

come on now...there are also defenders that will defend them no matter what happens...every single guy could come back game one and it would be all



This just happens to be the timeline for all these recoveries...six doctors couldn't fix Stone but #7 pulled it off

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This just happens to be the timeline for all these recoveries...six doctors couldn't fix Stone but #7 pulled it off

Nobody has a timeline for either Stone or Smith, and Bischoff is a non-factor.

So far, all we have is you claiming that everyone will be playing in game 1 of the playoffs. You have never cited any facts in support of this. Your claim to know the future with certainty is utterly stupid and any rational person is bound to ignore it.

[dash_pinched]

Stone is close to returning apparently which means Vegas has to make some moves to stay under the cap...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1513593014551150593

[SuperMatt18]

To me Tampa and Vegas are very different situations too.

For Tampa Kucherov had a legitimate surgery that caused him to miss the whole year. Seguin had the same surgery a couple weeks earlier and only played the last 3 games of the season. The recovery timeline was accurate.

Did they time his surgery and recover to coincide with being healthy for the playoffs? 100% but IMO they were never holding healthy players on LTIR to circumvent the cap. They just timed the surgery to take advantage of the loophole.

Vegas is a completely different story. It’s been pretty much admitted that Martinez could have been playing earlier but they didn’t have the room, and potentially Stone has been sitting when he could have been playing.

I think what Vegas is doing is a lot worse than what Tampa did.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me Tampa and Vegas are very different situations too.

For Tampa Kucherov had a legitimate surgery that caused him to miss the whole year. Seguin had the same surgery a couple weeks earlier and only played the last 3 games of the season. The recovery timeline was accurate.

Did they time his surgery and recover to coincide with being healthy for the playoffs? 100% but IMO they were never holding healthy players on LTIR to circumvent the cap. They just timed the surgery to take advantage of the loophole.

Vegas is a completely different story. It’s been pretty much admitted that Martinez could have been playing earlier but they didn’t have the room, and potentially Stone has been sitting when he could have been playing.

I think what Vegas is doing is a lot worse than what Tampa did.

Personally I believe Kucherov could have played in the regular season as well (my opinion)

Sounds like Vegas are trying to create space to activate Mark Stone,

I would be really curious to see how that's even possible

[looooob]

Originally Posted by flambers

Personally I believe Kucherov could have played in the regular season as well (my opinion)

Sounds like Vegas are trying to create space to activate Mark Stone,

I would be really curious to see how that's even possible

don't know whether the math works but I gather Patrick, Carrier and Brossoit have all been out for a while and can move over

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That would make 7 players on LTIR, with Stone coming off. I looked at Capfriendly and couldn't find any other potentially playoff-bound teams with more than 2-3.

The NHL is a joke.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by looooob

don't know whether the math works but I gather Patrick, Carrier and Brossoit have all been out for a while and can move over

Broissoit 2.325
Carrier - 1.4
Patrick - 1.2

Total $4.925

Guess they have some leftover LTIR if that's enough.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Broissoit 2.325
Carrier - 1.4
Patrick - 1.2

Total $4.925

Guess they have some leftover LTIR if that's enough.

I don't pretend to know the rules in detail (I should but I have given up), they look to have 5 M in cap space- if they ported those 3 guys over and activated Stone they would have about 12 million and 7 guys on LTIR

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Broissoit 2.325
Carrier - 1.4
Patrick - 1.2

Total $4.925

Guess they have some leftover LTIR if that's enough.

Reilly Smith - 5.0
Brett Howden - 0.8
Nic Hague - 0.7
Jake Bischoff - 0.7

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nobody has a timeline for either Stone or Smith, and Bischoff is a non-factor.

So far, all we have is you claiming that everyone will be playing in game 1 of the playoffs. You have never cited any facts in support of this. Your claim to know the future with certainty is utterly stupid and any rational person is bound to ignore it.

Lol, it isn't that hard to predict

Anyone with any sense knew their top players would be back in the nick of time by some miracle of modern medicine.

Stone is on LTIR and practicing on the first PP unit, huh

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Reilly Smith - 5.0
Brett Howden - 0.8
Nic Hague - 0.7
Jake Bischoff - 0.7

Basically the 4 guys you would choose to put on LTIR if you had to clear 7M. What luck