[News] Monahan on LTIR with season ending surgery. Kylington day to day. Mackey called up

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I don’t think he kept any injuries a secret. What we’ve heard consistently from the Flames is that his pain threshold is really high and he’ll play with injuries that shut many players down.

Agreed. And there’s a difference between hurt and injured.

Hurt: You can play but it’s hard to do so. This is where internal toughness comes from.

Injured: You want to play, but simply can’t. No amount of toughness can (should) fix this.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Exactly. There is no need to be sanctimonious about Sean Monahan and describe him as some sort of warrior, in fact playing through so many injuries, keeping them secret, having your game completely fall apart because of it is... stupid.

Loved the players, have two of his jerseys, but he should've learned after his first summer of surgeries to tell the team and stop keeping crap to himself.

Every player worth a damn plays through injuries.

Im guessing you would be shocked how many guys are doing so....right now.

What an odd take.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Every player worth a damn plays through injuries.

Im guessing you would be shocked how many guys are doing so....right now.

What an odd take.

And since everyone knows this, how many times do you think “this is nothing, other guys are playing through this stuff”… until it’s a problem.

We’re talking about elite athlete's in their 20s, they aren’t medical professionals. Most are playing through some sort of pain.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I have never heard someone who fights through injuries referred to as “soft” before reading this page….

Are we just choosing our own definitions for slang terms?

I'm talking about Sean Monahan being soft as in him being 6'3 and 200lbs and not having a physical aspect to his game or using his size to his advantage much.

I'm not arguing that he's fought through injuries or his desire to win.

The physical, be an ahole, get mad and push back is just not part of his game. Which is fine, but let's not pretend it is.

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

I'm talking about Sean Monahan being soft as in him being 6'3 and 200lbs and not having a physical aspect to his game or using his size to his advantage much.

I'm not arguing that he's fought through injuries or his desire to win.

The physical, be an ahole, get mad and push back is just not part of his game. Which is fine, but let's not pretend it is.

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It’s not part of tons of players games. Size is irrelevant. It’s so annoying, just because a hockey player is 6’3”, 200 lbs (average NHL size???), they have to play a physical game they didn’t get them to that point to begin with? Which apparently doesn’t count as setting up in the slot and taking abuse each game, but whatever.

He scored goals, and was always in tough areas. That was his game. Obviously the reason we’re having this conversation is the goal scoring is a distant memory now. But he didn’t need to “play physical” then either.

We could spend all day naming players of similar size to Monahan who don’t play physical in the way you’re asking for. Ryan O’Rielly, Tavares… just off the top of my head to start. Like ####, Monahan out hits Tage Thompson.

[GioforPM]

FWIW Monahan had really upped his number of hits per game this year. 59 in 65 games compared to being in the 30s over 80.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

FWIW Monahan had really upped his number of hits per game this year. 59 in 65 games compared to being in the 30s over 80.

Yeah, but they were all really soft hits because Monahan. Stick to the narrative!

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Every player worth a damn plays through injuries.

Im guessing you would be shocked how many guys are doing so....right now.

What an odd take.

Arrogantly dismissing an opinion that's different than yours shows mental immaturity, and it's something you do often.

Everyone plays through injuries, everyone works through struggles, it's obvious Sean Monahan and his multiple surgeries every summer never found that balance.

[Roof-Daddy]

Again, I just want to say how bad I feel for Mony.

The guy was an absolute stud for this team right from the word 'go'

Injuries have decimated his career and it's brutal how many fans have turned on him. Especially the ones who always inaccurately believed that his success was solely due to playing with Gaudreau, and are now using his fall from grace as justification for that false belief.

Such a shame. Hopefully he can get healthy and bounce back.

[FlamesAddiction]

Monahan's dedication to adjusting his game to a bottom 6 role really should be acknowledged. I know it's not ideal to have a player making $6 million+ in that role, but these were the cards that he and the team were dealt. It was a fair contract when it was signed.

I never really thought of him as a soft player. It's true that he was never big on initiating contact, but he was also never afraid to take a hit in order to make a play either.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Arrogantly dismissing an opinion that's different than yours shows mental immaturity, and it's something you do often.

Everyone plays through injuries, everyone works through struggles, it's obvious Sean Monahan and his multiple surgeries every summer never found that balance.

Yikes...settle down . I didn't dismiss anything, just correcting this statement from you on a discussion board that everyone is allowed to comment on.

in fact playing through so many injuries, keeping them secret, having your game completely fall apart because of it is... stupid

It was an odd thing to say on your part because as stated, there are multiple guys on every team who play through injuries every year....that's all. Are they all "stupid" too? And who decides if its stupid or not? You?

That isn't an opinion...its a fact.

Hell, just on this club alone last year Tanev played a month with broken ribs plus the Monahan thing and others who didnt require surgeries that you will never hear about. Part of the game and likely happens in every professional sport.

One of the biggest abilities of these guys is availability. Its part of why they get paid insane amounts of money to play games.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Monahan's dedication to adjusting his game to a bottom 6 role really should be acknowledged. I know it's not ideal to have a player making $6 million+ in that role, but these were the cards that he and the team were dealt. It was a fair contract when it was signed.

I never really thought of him as a soft player. It's true that he was never big on initiating contact, but he was also never afraid to take a hit in order to make a play either.

Yup...standing in front of the net as much as he does takes a whole lot of toughness.

[BigRed]

Anything new on Kylington or Gudbranson? Assuming Stone will stay in if only one of them comes back. But they should start auditioning Mackey with Gudbranson as soon as they can to get ready for next year.


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[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Anything new on Kylington or Gudbranson? Assuming Stone will stay in if only one of them comes back. But they should start auditioning Mackey with Gudbranson as soon as they can to get ready for next year.


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Lol

Next year is not anywhere close to being the focus right now.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Lol

Next year is not anywhere close to being the focus right now.

No. But deciding who plays over Stone or Mackey if there's one injury would have that as a legitimate factor. Why not get Mackey some meaningful games if he can handle it?

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Again, I just want to say how bad I feel for Mony.

The guy was an absolute stud for this team right from the word 'go'

Injuries have decimated his career and it's brutal how many fans have turned on him. Especially the ones who always inaccurately believed that his success was solely due to playing with Gaudreau, and are now using his fall from grace as justification for that false belief.

Such a shame. Hopefully he can get healthy and bounce back.

I hope he bounces back to, but I don't think it will be here. I wish him nothing but the best though, seems like a genuinely great human being. Unlike many of the fans who seem to have all the information about every scenario of his career to draw their conclusions..

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MikeMc

I'm talking about Sean Monahan being soft as in him being 6'3 and 200lbs and not having a physical aspect to his game or using his size to his advantage much.

I'm not arguing that he's fought through injuries or his desire to win.

The physical, be an ahole, get mad and push back is just not part of his game. Which is fine, but let's not pretend it is.

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Pretty much this. Maybe lack of aggression is a better term for it.

Who do you think would have a better chance of coming out of a battle in the corner with the puck: Monahan or Mangiapane? Even when healthy, Monahan showed a lack of enthusiasm for that sort of play.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by BigRed

No. But deciding who plays over Stone or Mackey if there's one injury would have that as a legitimate factor. Why not get Mackey some meaningful games if he can handle it?

Stone is a better player and contributes more offensively with his big shot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pretty much this. Maybe lack of aggression is a better term for it.

Who do you think would have a better chance of coming out of a battle in the corner with the puck: Monahan or Mangiapane? Even when healthy, Monahan showed a lack of enthusiasm for that sort of play.

Probably Monahan, if I'm being honest. Despite narrative, Monahan won a lot of puck battles. More than his share. He had a good stick and often managed to put his larger frame between opposition and puck, whether it was aggressive or not. And Mangiapane often wound up on his butt. In fairness to Mangiapane, as a winger his puck battles are often up higher on the boards, where you need to be first to the puck to have a shot. Monahan's were mostly behind the red line.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Stone is a better player and contributes more offensively with his big shot.

I don't think that we have seen enough of Mackey in the NHL yet, but judging from his history in the NCAA and AHL, he is probably the better overall defenseman if he gets enough ice to get used to the NHL speed. He has all of the tools and the hockey IQ to be a staple second or third pairing guy for a very long time.

Stone is decent in his own end, but the element that he brings to the table is definitely his shot. That adds a look to the defense that isn't there without him. (Andersson being the closest)