Sutter and Markstrom's Minutes

[Bingo]

Hopefully this hasn't been posted ... I'll delete if it has.

But Francis had an article up last night with an interview with Sutter on goalie usage.

The Flames coach finally revealed those numbers in a one-on-one interview with Sportsnet.ca just before the Flames finished their very first three-game sweep through California.

“If it’s 60, 61, 62 games, as far as minutes, I won’t let him get over a certain number,” said Sutter. “Unless he’s banged up or sick. I don’t even think much about it.”

Sutter, who insists his goalie cap revolves around minutes, not starts, has started Markstrom 56 times this season, totalling 3,328 minutes.

Should Markstrom play the equivalent of 62 games, he would reach 3,720 minutes.

That leaves him with 392 minutes to play, which equates to six-and-a-half more games.

Sure sounds like a pretty even split the rest of the way by the design of it.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-get-him-rest/

[Enoch Root]

The entire purpose of getting a comfortable lead in the standings is that you can rest players and get healthy for the playoffs.

I don't mind that he rode Markstrom to get to this point, but the fact of the matter is that we are going to win the division (or not win the division) regardless of who plays net from here on in. The expected point differential between Markstrom and Vladar, over 5 or 6 Vladar starts, would probably be less than 1 point, so just start Vladar, and let Markstrom have some time off.

I am the biggest Sutter fan on the planet, but if he plays Markstrom 8 or 9 times from here, and Markstrom hits the playoffs tired, that is a fire-able offense, IMO.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Sutter is also notorious for riding his number ones.

If Vladar is getting more starts, it's because Sutter has confidence in him, and not by some arbitrary default.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah let’s fire Sutter for riding his goalie too hard so we can get another Gulutzan, Peters or Ward in here.

I hope he rests Markstrom too but you’d be ready to fire him?

[Bill Bumface]

I know nothing about any of this, but as a layman, I wonder why it isn't better to have a constant, sustainable pace that keeps everyone playing and engaged instead of flipping the switch at the end as it sounds like may be happening. I'd be curious about injury risk riding one guy pretty hard too.

[EVERLAST]

Yeah. I'd like Lord Vladar to get some more minutes and get Markstrom some much deserved rest.
I don't know if I'm 100% comfortable riding Vladar if we had to rely on him entirely.
Let's just be hopeful nothing kicks sutters plan to the curb.

One other thing that I'm curious about.....if the team is playing great defence in front of a goalie giving him some relief does that help when compiling statistics with starts and saves and what not? I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at but its not like we hang Marky out to dry so his miles aren't hard miles.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah let’s fire Sutter for riding his goalie too hard so we can get another Gulutzan, Peters or Ward in here.

I hope he rests Markstrom too but you’d be ready to fire him?

I took that as a dramatic comment if Sutter purposely tanked the team by playing Markstrom into the ground.

He's not getting fired for making a call on where Markstrom is and being wrong.

Either way it sounds like he has some science behind it, and will be aiming for that minute total.

Have to think Vladar gets one of the next two Seattle games for sure. Then one of the Chi/Nash back to back games, then probably the Wild on the 2nd last day of the season.

That would give Markstrom two more starts than he likely fits in the minute total.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Yeah. I'd like Lord Vladar to get some more minutes and get Markstrom some much deserved rest.
I don't know if I'm 100% comfortable riding Vladar if we had to rely on him entirely.
Let's just be hopeful nothing kicks sutters plan to the curb.

One other thing that I'm curious about.....if the team is playing great defence in front of a goalie giving him some relief does that help when compiling statistics with starts and saves and what not? I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at but its not like we hang Marky out to dry so his miles aren't hard miles.

Interesting point - possibly true, but I'd argue that a strong defensive team should also give you more rope to play your backup more.

[MrMike]

If Edmonton didn’t just win six in a row I think we’d be seeing Vlader more often. He will get his starts down the stretch once we have a little more breathing room.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

One other thing that I'm curious about.....if the team is playing great defence in front of a goalie giving him some relief does that help when compiling statistics with starts and saves and what not? I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at but its not like we hang Marky out to dry so his miles aren't hard miles.

Would be interesting to see a total minutes and an intensity minutes for every goaltender.

With intensity minutes being the amount of time with the puck in the defensive zone.

Goalies may not be under siege but if a team is cycling the puck there's a load on a goaltender to move and set, and track pucks, be alert and focused ... etc.

An easy way to do it for fun. Take the inversion of each team's xGF% x total minutes.

Results ...

Total Minutes
Hallebucyk
Saros
Jarry
Markstrom
Demko
Vasilevsky
Gibson
Nedeljkovic
Fleury
Grubauer

Now Intensity Minutes
Hellebucyk
Saros
Demko
Vasilevsky
Gibson
Nedeljkovic
Jarry
Merzlikins
Grubauer
Markstrom

Interesting ....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah let’s fire Sutter for riding his goalie too hard so we can get another Gulutzan, Peters or Ward in here.

I hope he rests Markstrom too but you’d be ready to fire him?

If he overworked him and we go into the playoffs with a tired goalie and get knocked out in the first round? Yeah, I would.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would be interesting to see a total minutes and an intensity minutes for every goaltender.



With intensity minutes being the amount of time with the puck in the defensive zone.



Goalies may not be under siege but if a team is cycling the puck there's a load on a goaltender to move and set, and track pucks, be alert and focused ... etc.



An easy way to do it for fun. Take the inversion of each team's xGF% x total minutes.



Results ...



Total Minutes

Hallebucyk

Saros

Jarry

Markstrom

Demko

Vasilevsky

Gibson

Nedeljkovic

Fleury

Grubauer



Now Intensity Minutes

Hellebucyk

Saros

Demko

Vasilevsky

Gibson

Nedeljkovic

Jarry

Merzlikins

Grubauer

Markstrom



Interesting ....

This is cool.

I think it also underscores what a horse Vasilevsky has turned into. He plays a tonne, plays late into the playoffs, plays amongst the most "high intensity" minutes, and has Vezinas, Conn Smythes and Stanley Cups to show for it. At what point do we start having the discussion about where Vasilevsky falls on the "Best of All Time" list? He is in a league of his own right now.

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[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he overworked him and we go into the playoffs with a tired goalie and get knocked out in the first round? Yeah, I would.

Sweet, then let's replace one of the greatest coaches of all time with another dumpster fire that has us out of the Playoffs again, at which point goalie minutes won't even matter

As incredible as Markstrom, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Chucky, Andersson and company have been, Sutter is the MVP of this team.

He's the last person that should ever go.

[transplant99]

How does one know if a goalie is tired or not so it is time to rest him?

I'm gonna go with the guy behind the bench to make that determination. He has the information no one on here or elsewhere does.

[Mathgod]

If it was me, I would give Marky the start tonight, the 14th, 18th, the 21st, and the 23rd. Then, if the division is clinched by then, I'd keep him home to rest up and get ready for Game 1. Wolf would back up Vladar for the 26th, 28th, and start on the 29th.

That said, in Sutter I trust.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

If it was me, I would give Marky the start tonight, the 14th, 18th, the 21st, and the 23rd. Then, if the division is clinched by then, I'd keep him home to rest up and get ready for Game 1. Wolf would back up Vladar for the 26th, 28th, and start on the 29th.

That said, in Sutter I trust.

Wolf has an important AHL playoff run of his own to be focused on. There is no way he should be sitting on the bench in Calgary in April. And besides, I am pretty sure he is ineligible to join the main roster at this point except on the basis of an emergency recall.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wolf has an important AHL playoff run of his own to be focussed on. There is no way he should be sitting on the bench in Calgary in April. And be4sides, I am pretty sure he is ineligible to join the main roster at this point except on the basis of an emergency recall.

Not sure about the eligibility but... the Heat's playoff run doesn't start until May, and Wolf spending 4 days with the Flames would only cause him to miss the last 2 RS games of the Heat. The Heat's playoff run is not more important than the Flames'.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Not sure about the eligibility but... the Heat's playoff run doesn't start until May, and Wolf spending 4 days with the Flames would only cause him to miss the last 2 RS games of the Heat. The Heat's playoff run is not more important than the Flames'.

Wolf's insertion into the Flames roster for two weeks doesn't make any difference for anyone. What is the point? Markstrom is not getting mentally or physically fatiugued by sitting on the bench here or there.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wolf's insertion into the Flames roster for two weeks doesn't make any difference for anyone. What is the point? Markstrom is not getting mentally or physically fatiugued by sitting on the bench here or there.

There's also the very strong possibility that Markstrom wants to AT LEAST be on the bench with the team to stay mentally engaged. Really don't see a gamer of any sort being good with the press box, unless they're injured.

[Fischy13]

I’m as concerned he gets rusty sitting. Goalies are special players, special mindsets, and having them in a groove going into playoffs is important. When markstrom came back from injury last year, he never regrouped. Many goalies have gone see in the playoffs after playing the majority of games. We had one ourselves here in Calgary, Kipper played 70 year after year.