Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
He's not saying Zelenskyy is out putting rounds down range. But he is out showing his face to troops/civilians.
That has risks.
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Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
What makes you think anybody think he's fighting? He is out and about touring things versus sitting in a bunker, though, that much is obvious/true, no?
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Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
He stayed. That's a lot more than most leaders should/would do. Safe streets is an interesting word for the country of Ukraine right now, he's not strolling the river walk here in Calgary.
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Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
Do typical politicians do any of this stuff in a warzone? Of course it is propaganda. He is doing an incredibly effective job at making it seem like it isn't. He's a leader with few equals right now.
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He's not saying Zelenskyy is out putting rounds down range. But he is out showing his face to troops/civilians.
That has risks.
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He stayed. That's a lot more than most leaders should/would do. Safe streets is an interesting word for the country of Ukraine right now, he's not strolling the river walk here in Calgary.
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What makes you think anybody think he's fighting? He is out and about touring things versus sitting in a bunker, though, that much is obvious/true, no?
Yes, we agree, but I have heard many various people and talk shows / interviews etc. going on about the mad respect everybody has for him for staying and fighting. But he's not really fighting. Nonetheless what he's doing is a) his job, b) brave, c) commendable, etc., but he isn't fighting. I don't think that is clear to many people actually.
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One thing I think is pretty amazing is that Zelenskyy is still alive especially as he often goes out and about.
You'd have to think that they'd be going hard to kill him, specifically with the Wagner group.
full credit to his security detail.
knock on wood.
Might be different interpretation of what GordonBlue writes when he states "out and about" because that could have various interpretations ie. 1. steps out puts on a jacket takes a picture and rolls back inside or 2. steps out puts on jacket grabs rifle and into combat or 3. steps out, puts on jacket and rolls around town checking on civilians, businesses, making his face shown etc.
Various ways to interpret "out and about" and my point was that the celebration of his leadership and bravery is good and worthy, etc., but should be somewhat muted since he is a politician after all and IMO at least, there are differentiated levels of risk and respect for people fighting in the front lines or not. Again, it's not a criticism since it's his job and he's doing an amazing job of it but I betcha any money yes, there are people who think he's out there actually fighting because people are idiots. Very, very CP-esque that this would even need clarification too but here we are.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
Yes, we agree, but I have heard many various people and talk shows / interviews etc. going on about the mad respect everybody has for him for staying and fighting. But he's not really fighting. Nonetheless what he's doing is a) his job, b) brave, c) commendable, etc., but he isn't fighting. I don't think that is clear to many people actually.
He is fighting.
Fighting isn't just shooting and engaging the enemy.
Are cooks, medics, transportation, mechanics, communications, fighting?
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Fighting isn't just shooting and engaging the enemy.
Are cooks, medics, transportation, mechanics, communications, fighting?
I wouldn't think so, not really, no, You're saying that literally anyone involved with the armed forces or government is fighting? Might just be a matter of semantics really.
He could off, probably should have left Kyiv as the Russians were encircling it, set up a provisional Government in the west, he didnt, he stayed with his troops all the while thinking, like the rest of us, that Kyiv was a few days away from falling and he would be tortured and shot, probably on camera so Putin could enjoy it from his Dasha, now because the Russians have run away we question his bravery.
The man has Ukrainian balls
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He could off, probably should have left Kyiv as the Russians were encircling it, set up a provisional Government in the west, he didnt, he stayed with his troops all the while thinking, like the rest of us, that Kyiv was a few days away from falling and he would be tortured and shot, probably on camera so Putin could enjoy it from his Dasha, now because the Russians have run away we question his bravery.
Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
My main point is that it's crazy he's still alive.
no he's not in the fighting but he stayed behind in a war zone to lead his country and not just hiding, but appearing in public where the risk to his life is higher.
Putin would love to see him dead. He's very brave, and his security people must be amazing.
Is he really out there running around like Rambo though? Or is he slapping on a uniform and taking some shots walking around safe streets for social media and national morale?
Dude has a lot to do, I'm not even criticizing I just think people need to use critical thinking skills because 0% chance Zelenskyy is out there fighting given he has a country to run as well which during a wartime effort I would imagine is a 100% full time job considering humans have to sleep too. Plus he's obviously been meeting with all western leaders basically constantly and I assume being briefed on the war and other matters.
Are there any stories corroborating what he actually has done in terms of fighting or is it more like typical politician / Trudeau-esque / propaganda stuff.
That kind of is questioning his bravery
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I wouldn't think so, not really, no, You're saying that literally anyone involved with the armed forces or government is fighting? Might just be a matter of semantics really.
I understand your point, but would counter that fighting can take many forms. As UCB said, it doesn't have to be done with a rifle. Zelenskyy is fighting every time he pleads for assistance from NATO or petitions other countries for more sanctions. He is fighting every time he (often graphically) shows the world the atrocities that are being committed by the Russian forces in his country. He is fighting every single day with the things he does to boost the morale of his armed forces, and every time he encourages the citizens of Ukraine to not lose faith in their country. To say he is not fighting would be akin to saying that Churchill, Eisenhower or King did not fight. I would argue the opposite and say that Zelenskyy is the most effective wartime leader I have seen in my lifetime.
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I wouldn't think so, not really, no, You're saying that literally anyone involved with the armed forces or government is fighting? Might just be a matter of semantics really.
I am sorry, but you are wrong.
You fight a “Total War” (which Ukraine is doing) by everyone buying into what they do contributes to fighting and can be considered fighting.
Fixing a drone so it can fly off to locate more targets for artillery, that’s fighting.
Cooking meals for soldiers, that’s fighting.
Ensuring everyone is properly clothed, that’s fighting.
Pointing your rifle at Ivan and shooting him in the face, that’s fighting.
The Teeth don’t exist without the Tail.
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MOD updates for the day. Minimal changes in lines of control with the focus of both the Ukrainians and Russians focusing to the east now. Russians are pushing to take control of the Mariupol and Kherson then massing their forces at Izyum in a push to take full control of the Yuzivska gas fields and key city of Kramatorsk in Donbas.
Situation in Mariupol is reportedly quite dire for the Ukrainians defenders in the city who have been holding on for over a month without resupply. There are reports of Ukrainian forces surrendering by the Russians, but this has yet to confirmed by other sources.
I did not question his bravery. Jesus.
