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Old 03-29-2022, 09:12 AM   #4661
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I can see them really moving away from the Soviet era stuff that was in their fleet and almost completely move towards western weapons.
Ukraine has a huge arms industry (shipbuilding, small arms, guided munitions, aircraft, tanks, etc via Ukroboronprom) inherited from the Soviet Union collapse that has worked with Poland and others on defense projects. I really doubt they will go full western when they have a lot of local arms expertise. There really isn't anything horribly wrong with the mechanical parts of the Russian systems themselves either, just the use/maintenance has been horrible by the Russians.

We'll probably see a lot more Ukrainian co-developed or modernization defense projects that integrates western components, once all the western provided arms run out. Which I doubt happens any time soon.

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Old 03-29-2022, 09:13 AM   #4662
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Yeah I am not going to take the Russians at their word.
Russians are just rearming and pushing from the East now, that's been their stated goal. They can't have Ukraine as a "buffer state" against NATO, they are gonna do it with Donbass.
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:20 AM   #4663
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If true, this would be quite the disaster for Russia. Russia is lucky its a nuclear power because its enemies would be licking their chops.
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:22 AM   #4664
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yeah i am not going to take the russians at their word.
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:35 AM   #4666
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MOD updates. No real changes in the fronts for the most part after a couple of days aside from Ukrainian reports that Russians are retreating near Kyiv. which don't reflect in the maps by Wiki/MOD. Apparently Ukrainians shot down a record 17 aircraft yesterday tho, after receiving the Starstreak MANPAD system from the UK.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1508774299058020357
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Larger map from Wikipedia and animated gif

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Old 03-29-2022, 10:23 AM   #4668
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Haven't found confirmation or more info on the scale of sabotage, but this stuff still has to at the very least hurt morale even further. When even the Belarusians, supposed allies, are working against you...

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Bit more on the new Starstreak MANPADs the Ukrainians received from the Brits. These things are quite a bit better than Stingers. Longer range, faster, and laser guided instead of IR so Russian planes dropping flares aren't gonna be an issue. To me it's kind of nuts how advanced these weapons systems are and the engineering that goes into them.

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This is the first attack on actual Russian soil. Huge development.

Did Putin really think that there was this mythical wall that protected Russia when it invaded Ukraine or that Ukraine had no capabilities to shoot back?
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This is the first attack on actual Russian soil. Huge development.

Did Putin really think that there was this mythical wall that protected Russia when it invaded Ukraine or that Ukraine had no capabilities to shoot back?
It's not necessarily an attack, they say it exploded. Given the general incompetence of the Russian military, it could well be an own goal.
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For context, Belgorod is only 80 km away from Kharkiv, which it itself is only 40km from the Russian border.
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It's not necessarily an attack, they say it exploded. Given the general incompetence of the Russian military, it could well be an own goal.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1508878873991303172

Nope. Ukraine has the ability.

The Orsk sinking in Berdyansk was further in enemy controlled lines then this attack.

Belgorod is not safe.

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But also, this. Human error?
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Since when has Russian State media been truthful?

According to them Kharkiv was being bombed by Ukrainians.
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It's much harder for Russian state media to hide the truth of an attack on russian soil then they can about what is happening in Ukraine.
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