2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Hockeytonker]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Don't argue with zombies. We're two years into this nonsense and some folks aren't bright enough to see the forest for the trees. I'm sure he's wormed through a number of failed conspiracies that never came true, but course correction would require admitting you aren't a know-it-all wolf in the herd of sheep.

I'm sorry that Honkeytonker lacked the stoicism to endure minor hardship, and contribute in fairly minor ways. Eventually the chickens come home to roost.

Stoicism? Nah. Not once did I say that I was Unvaccinated. Again, this is about Mr Cecil and his ability to live so high up in his ivory tower. And yes, we’re two years plus into this and some of us have stopped believing the hype about Covid. Sorry. You can call me a zombie, but I’m not the one still scared of this theatre.

[b1crunch]

nm - decided my time is better spent doing literally anything else.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Hockeytonker

Stoicism? Nah. Not once did I say that I was Unvaccinated. Again, this is about Mr Cecil and his ability to live so high up in his ivory tower. And yes, we’re two years plus into this and some of us have stopped believing the hype about Covid. Sorry. You can call me a zombie, but I’m not the one still scared of this theatre.

It's not hype that you just believe in or not, and your belief in it determines if it applies to you & your world.

It's facts, that you choose to ignore, but the truth of those facts persists whether your bury your head in the sand or not.

You can be over COVID, but every unvaxxed person continues to be at massively greater risk to themselves and others regardless.

If you can live with that, then fine, great. But don't pretend like science only applies if you believe in it, like we're all living in a Peter Pan universe or something.

You can choose not to believe in gravity, but it's still going to slam your ass to the ground at the end of the day.

The same applies to everything else that has scientific credence behind it.

Throwing stones at people who are paying attention to these truths and advocating them just cause you don't want to live in the real world is worthy of every drubbing it has coming to it.

Continue to live in whatever world you want, just do every one a favor and shut up about it.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I specifically put "Mainstream Media" in quotes because that's basically convoy talk for "Left wing mouth pieces for the corrupt liberal government"

One thing that I've really come to hate through all of this are the terms "Mainstream media" and "Narative"
Hearing freedumbers spout those words at every opportunity is like listening to a 10 year old who just learned how to swear. They over use them, don't really know what they mean, or how to use them properly, but they know they sound hella cool when they say them.

A ten year old swearing is hella cool? I am not even talking about the topic on hand. Just those words.

I always laugh when left wing and Right wing comments are made.

A bird flies using both wings. If it only uses one it flies in circles. Actually it slams into the earth and dies.

Right wingers need left wing birds, left wingers need right wing birds.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's not hype that you just believe in or not, and your belief in it determines if it applies to you & your world.

It's facts, that you choose to ignore, but the truth of those facts persists whether your bury your head in the sand or not.

You can be over COVID, but every unvaxxed person continues to be at massively greater risk to themselves and others regardless.

If you can live with that, then fine, great. But don't pretend like science only applies if you believe in it, like we're all living in a Peter Pan universe or something.

You can choose not to believe in gravity, but it's still going to slam your ass to the ground at the end of the day.

The same applies to everything else that has scientific credence behind it.

Throwing stones at people who are paying attention to these truths and advocating them just cause you don't want to live in the real world is worthy of every drubbing it has coming to it.

Continue to live in whatever world you want, just do every one a favor and shut up about it.

Do you have some science to back that up?

Not picking a fight. You are saying a unvaxxed person that has had covid passes on the virus more so than a vaccinated person?

I dont have the education to make that claim. I am guessing you dont either.

Me personally I think vaccinated or not the virus just moves on. It does not care vaccinate or not. It does not care if you got sick once already from it.

I have had covid twice. At least tested positive twice over months.

Seriously if you got sick from it and survived your body should have antibodies built up. Just like a shot would do for you.

I am not anti vaccine. Yet if you have had covid and your body made antibodies to attack it how does the vaccine help? Your body produces antibodies to fight the infection correct? So it is basically a booster shot?

Not a bad thing. Yet call it what it is.

My apologies.

Wrong thread for this.

You get Covid and your body fights the disease. You get the vaccine and your body fights the disease? Antibodies are produced if you live.

I just dont get your claim that the unvaxxed are more likely to transmit the disease after having it already. Makes no sense.

Truths? One would think a vaxxed person or a person that already had the disease sit in the same boat. The persons body would of produced antibodies to fight the disease.

Feel free to pass on links to me. Maybe I am out to lunch. Makes no sense to me taking a vaccine that produce antibodies in my body to fight a disease my body already fought and won. A booster shot? That I could agree with.

[Fuzz]

Chubeyr1, this is some good info on protection from previous infections, it is not nearly as good as vaccines. And if you are less protected, you are more likely to get it and spread it:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...nity-to-covid/

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Chubeyr1, this is some good info on protection from previous infections, it is not nearly as good as vaccines. And if you are less protected, you are more likely to get it and spread it:


https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...nity-to-covid/

That doesn't seem to be what the article states at all. It says that the level of response is pretty much the same between vaccinated and previously infected individuals who had non Omicron Covid. An Omicron infection and recovery is not nearly as good though.

We found that neutralizing antibody titers against all the variants were high among vaccinated persons after omicron BA.1 breakthrough infection and among vaccinated or unvaccinated persons who had had previous infection with the wild-type, alpha, or delta variant before infection with the omicron BA.1 variant (Figure 1, Fig. S2, and Table S6). Mean neutralizing antibody titers against the omicron BA.1 variant were lower than those against the other variants among previously vaccinated persons but were similar to those against the other variants among unvaccinated persons who had had infection with the wild-type, alpha, or delta variant before infection with the omicron BA.1 variant.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Hockeytonker

I really didn’t want to get involved with this stupid Covid theatre again, but this “holier than thou” comment has peaked my interest. How’s the weather up there in your ivory tower looking down on the *peasants who dared not trust an unproven Vaccine?

Get over yourself. You didn’t save the world by taking the Vaccine. You’re not saving the world by continuing to wear 2 masks, (probably alone in your car, or out walking on the street) Some people got the Vaccine and then stopped being afraid of Covid. You know, “trusted the science”.

I could go on and on about my beliefs on this garbage, but I’ll leave you with this. You’re just as protected as any Unvaxxed person right now. (Scary isn’t it?)

This isn't about one person saving the world. This is about everyone doing their part. Which is again what the freedumb people miss in nearly every aspect of their life. That the freedom our community offers comes with responsibility back to that community. In this case, responsibility means getting a vaccine, wearing a mask, social distancing, etc. But these convoy people say no to every single one of those measure.

What you say is garbage and incorrect. And while it is useless to argue with a troll that will just double down when pressed, I am engaging in conversation because every time we let these comments go it emboldens bad actors to keep pushing more of their conspiracies.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That doesn't seem to be what the article states at all. It says that the level of response is pretty much the same between vaccinated and previously infected individuals who had non Omicron Covid. An Omicron infection and recovery is not nearly as good though.

The majority of previous infections are going to be Omicron now.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The majority of previous infections are going to be Omicron now.

I don't know about majority at this point because we don't have accurate case counts but based on the reported data in Alberta nearly 2/3 of previous infections are pre-Omicron. Obviously there is significant number of non reported Omicron cases that will shift that down.

Regardless, that doesn't make your previous statement any less misleading based on that article you posted.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't know about majority at this point because we don't have accurate case counts but based on the reported data in Alberta nearly 2/3 of previous infections are pre-Omicron. Obviously there is significant number of non reported Omicron cases that will shift that down.

Regardless, that doesn't make your previous statement any less misleading based on that article you posted.

You were just arguing in the other thread 45% of Albertans had Omicron. Anyway, the point is still valid because a lot of the previous infections were some time ago, and natural immunity wanes faster than vaccine derived:

New studies show that natural immunity to the coronavirus weakens (wanes) over time, and does so faster than immunity provided by COVID-19 vaccination.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...u-need-to-know


So ya, my summery wasn't 100% accurate, but practically speaking it's not really fair to call it misleading. Real world, where we are now.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I remember there was a photo of him and his family somewhere sitting around for a meal and it legit looked like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre family.

The one son has a podcast.

I listened to one of his episodes about my tour in Yugo. I sent him a note about some of the inaccuracies in his podcast. He invited me onto his show. I thought, yeah maybe. So I listened to a few other episodes and oh hell no. Dude was nuts.

I deleted his email.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You were just arguing in the other thread 45% of Albertans had Omicron.

I wasn't arguing whether or not 45% of Albertans had Omicron I was just stating that based on the information that is available (the number of cases since Omicron started) and the claim by our CMOH that testing was only capturing 1 in 10 cases, she said that estimate was conservative and they might be catching less than 10% of cases, the number of people who had Omicron would be about 45%.

[rubecube]

I, for one, am completely shocked.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ions-1.6410105

It's not clear where most of the money raised through GiveSendGo has gone. Fundraisers launched on the U.S.-based site raised more than $12 million.

Recently filed court documents show $4.25 million is being held by a payment processing company, but the remaining $7.75 million is unaccounted for.

[aaronck]

More charges for Pat King- Awesome

Obstruction of Justice and Perjury

https://canoe.com/news/crime/ottawa-...c-2b4ae27ef8ab

[Fuzz]

Guessing he might miss out on his son's graduation, at this rate. One of his reasons for going to the protest was so his son could have a mask-less graduation. So, success-ish?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by aaronck

More charges for Pat King- Awesome

Obstruction of Justice and Perjury

https://canoe.com/news/crime/ottawa-...c-2b4ae27ef8ab

132 Every one who commits perjury is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

You don't #### around with perjury lol. Though the longest perjury sentence was 9 years related to the Air India bombing and usually the higher sentences are reserved for police officers and those perjuring themselves in murder trials. But that sleezeball Ken Carter was charged with perjury in 2016. They separated it from his main trail of criminal harassment and then he left to Russia and couldn't return due to his health for quite sometime, but we're a couple weeks out of final arguments right now, six years after initially charged, and he probably spent a small fortune fighting it. It's not something you want looming over your head.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Guessing he might miss out on his son's graduation, at this rate. One of his reasons for going to the protest was so his son could have a mask-less graduation. So, success-ish?

I can imagine there is one kid out there that would be fist-pumping at the potential of that happening.

[darockwilder]

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...onvoy-protests

Seriously? Maybe it'll be different.

[Fuzz]

Several Freedom Convoy protesters say thousands of dollars of items seized during February's enforcement efforts are unaccounted for, and that getting back those items that are in police possession has been a laborious process.

Let us shed a tear...

"It's an incredible amount of stuff. There's tens of thousands of materials there, if not hundreds of thousands of material there, that was taken off Wellington," he said.

Duvall said he's co-ordinating with other organizers to create an inventory of unaccounted items, in the hopes of getting them back.

Ahahaa! You have fun with that.

Organizers are contemplating searching city dumps to see if they can retrieve things like extension cords, power bars, chairs and tables that they believe were thrown out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...lice-1.6445709

Let it go, man. It's gone.