BattleStar Galactica - SPOILER WARNING

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I was thinking last night that Tigh was emphasizing he'd been in the fleet 40 years and fought in two Cylon wars . . . . . which implies all sorts of things about human-appearing Cylons and their origins, that those origins go back much further than we suspected.

I was thinking the same thing about Tigh. It doesn't seem to me that the four in that room are cylons. I think there's more to it than that. I think they have something to do with the cylons, but are not toasters themselves. Maybe along the lines of they stole DNA from them and used it to create the first human cylon models. Its just something about them being cylons doesn't seem to fit for me -- but I can't quite place my finger on it.

[BlackEleven]

I've been thinking about what happens if the Tigh et al are actually cylons. That means a couple of important things:

1) There's now two human-cylon hybrids (Chief's son).
2) Almost the whole resistance on New Caprica was Cylons (Tigh, Chief, Anders)
3) Deanna was likely apologizing to Tigh in the temple (for the eye thing).

It also raises some questions in my mind.

1) Who is the fifth Cylon? Roslin because she can project along with Hera, Athena and Six? Or maybe Starbuck because she now appears to be alive? Or maybe Lee because maybe he's projecting Starbuck in his head?

2) What is Starbuck doing in a raptor? Her other one blew up so where'd she get this one from?

3) Are the Cylons that are showing up on dradus perhaps a bunch of copies of Tigh, Anders, Tory and Tyrol?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

I've been thinking about what happens if the Tigh et al are actually cylons. That means a couple of important things:

1) There's now two human-cylon hybrids (Chief's son).
2) Almost the whole resistance on New Caprica was Cylons (Tigh, Chief, Anders)
3) Deanna was likely apologizing to Tigh in the temple (for the eye thing).

It also raises some questions in my mind.

1) Who is the fifth Cylon? Roslin because she can project along with Hera, Athena and Six? Or maybe Starbuck because she now appears to be alive? Or maybe Lee because maybe he's projecting Starbuck in his head?

2) What is Starbuck doing in a raptor? Her other one blew up so where'd she get this one from?

3) Are the Cylons that are showing up on dradus perhaps a bunch of copies of Tigh, Anders, Tory and Tyrol?

The fact that Hera's blood could only cure Roslin and the effect couldn't be duplicated in a laboratory is certainly interesting and suggestive for Roslin also being a Cylon . . . . . particularly now with the mental link being revealed. . . . . or maybe she just got that from the blood.

Cowperson

[worth]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Its not just Cylons . . . . Colonel Tigh is a Canadian, , Chief Tyrell is a Canadian, Lieutenant Gaeta is a Canadian . . . . of course, they might be Cylons too so who knows.

Just reading the beginning of this thread from '05 and it looks like you called it Cowperson.

[Flame On]

I think if they are Cylons or not, they are the beings; the Five, that will bridge the gap with the actual cylons and the humans in living on earth. They will conduct the hand holding for the new planet where both will get along, which is what they've been steering towards, with all the talk of destiny etc.
Otherwise it's going to be a simple issue of the cylons wiping out the humans in the Galactica over the skies of earth rather easily.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by worth

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Its not just Cylons . . . . Colonel Tigh is a Canadian, , Chief Tyrell is a Canadian, Lieutenant Gaeta is a Canadian . . . . of course, they might be Cylons too so who knows.



Just reading the beginning of this thread from '05 and it looks like you called it Cowperson.

Now that is known as pure, dumb luck . . . . . or maybe it was my destiny to say that.

think if they are Cylons or not, they are the beings; the Five, that will bridge the gap with the actual cylons and the humans in living on earth. They will conduct the hand holding for the new planet where both will get along, which is what they've been steering towards, with all the talk of destiny etc.
Otherwise it's going to be a simple issue of the cylons wiping out the humans in the Galactica over the skies of earth rather easily.

I think they'll either find a futuristic Earth that's been vaporized by its barbarian inhabitants and ripe for re-colonization by Cylon/humans walking together and holding hands OR they'll find a futuristic Cylon/human hybrid population already there waiting for them OR they'll reconcile and find an Earth of the present day where we, the locals of today, learn that we're all human/Cylon hybrids already!!

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Now that is known as pure, dumb luck . . . . . or maybe it was my destiny to say that.

think if they are Cylons or not, they are the beings; the Five, that will bridge the gap with the actual cylons and the humans in living on earth. They will conduct the hand holding for the new planet where both will get along, which is what they've been steering towards, with all the talk of destiny etc.
Otherwise it's going to be a simple issue of the cylons wiping out the humans in the Galactica over the skies of earth rather easily.

I think they'll either find a futuristic Earth that's been vaporized by its barbarian inhabitants and ripe for re-colonization by Cylon/humans walking together and holding hands OR they'll find a futuristic Cylon/human hybrid population already there waiting for them OR they'll reconcile and find an Earth of the present day where we, the locals of today, learn that we're all human/Cylon hybrids already!!

Cowperson

Or there's one final battle between the human creators and the Cylon's which results in one race vanishing forever.

Lets be honest, this whole series has been about the discovery of gods, the humna species has many, the Cylon's have one which represents its creators or man. Neither side is completely good or completely evil in its beliefs, but there's no doubt that because of thier beliefs in thier flawed creators that they can't exist side by side on one planet.

The Cylon's are also desperatly searching for the segments that are missing from them that make them more like thier god which is man. The ability to love, the ability to reproduce without using a lathe and a good set of screw drivers. The human's are searching for the answer to the age old question, is this all that we are, is there something else and can we grow as human's, and they're hoping that the myth like 13th colonists are the answer to that quest. One cannot exist without the other, yet the answers to the two seperate quests are remarkably the same, but they cannot exist in the same space.

I doubt if we'll see the earth in the same form as we know it, unless Moore and company are willing to roll out the super scouts and the flying motorcycles, and Adama grows a funky beard, and Boomer becomes the second in command.

Ugh

[Clintonium]

Hey guys,

I just recently started following Glactica earlier this year. Caught up buy purchasing seasons 1, 2.0 and 2.5 and then watching the first half of season 3 online, and the rest is history.

Now I don't know if I missed this part as I did miss two of the last 5 episodes, but why exactly are they heading towards the Nebula? Is it still from Baltar's previous calculations? Is it a prediction Gaeta has?

I was trying to figure that out last night and could not remember. Could someone please fill me in?


I also thought Sunday's episode was a great ending to the season. After a few "filler" episodes to show how humanity is struggling as a society, we are now back to the survival and re-colonization of humanity. I can't wait to see where they pick-up with season 4. From what I noticed it did not seem that the Cylon Basestars sent out any fighters against the Raptor's from Galactica which makes me wonder if there is a possibility they are seperate basestars trying to track down the final 5.

Thanks.

[Hemi-Cuda]

the final 5 minutes of that episode is some of the best TV i've ever watched. the music fit in so perfectly and really gave you a sense that this was a special moment in the story. god it's gonna be a long 9 months until season 4 starts

[Cowperson]

In the thread for all things Battlestar, this article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about the rather sizeable female BSG audience . . . . unusual for science-fiction actually . . . . . "Chicks dig BSG!!" Reason number five cracks me up.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ent...3?OpenDocument

In line with a People Magazine blurb a month ago on the same theme, looking at why women are hot on Battlestar.

Cowperson

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In the thread for all things Battlestar, this article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch about the rather sizeable female BSG audience . . . . unusual for science-fiction actually . . . . . "Chicks dig BSG!!" Reason number five cracks me up.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ent...3?OpenDocument

In line with a People Magazine blurb a month ago on the same theme, looking at why women are hot on Battlestar.

Cowperson

It's true though. My girlfriend is the typical girly-girl. She likes shoes, purses, makeup, fashion, romantic comedies, and so forth and hates hockey, beer, action movies, etc -- you get the picture.

She does, however, like BSG. And I even heard it discussing it with one of her friends once that also watches the show. Also during that converation, I heard her say that her two favourite tv shows were Heroes and BSG (take that Desperate Housewives!). It was an oddly proud moment for me.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

It's true though. My girlfriend is the typical girly-girl. She likes shoes, purses, makeup, fashion, romantic comedies, and so forth and hates hockey, beer, action movies, etc -- you get the picture.

She does, however, like BSG. And I even heard it discussing it with one of her friends once that also watches the show. Also during that converation, I heard her say that her two favourite tv shows were Heroes and BSG (take that Desperate Housewives!). It was an oddly proud moment for me.

Hmmmm . . . . . maybe your girlfriend is a Bamber Bunny. From the Sci Fi board



Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

OK, I got a few episodes behind a just caught up.

Wow.

That is all.

[Cowperson]

This is pretty cheesy but also fascinating in a warped, fanatic kind of way . . . . . some fans in LA set up a Battlestar fandom private viewing of the season finale and had Kat, Hot Dog and Anders show up.

A recount and quite a few pictures if you're into that kind of thing at this Sci-fi board thread below. Kat looks pretty good on page 14!! A blow by blow description of the evening on Page 13 . . . their TV quit partway through. Ron Moore comments in the thread as well.

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2267740

The thread is also interesting for the hilarious and creative signatures used.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

For Captain Crunch, the Starbuck Deception conspiracy theory revealed today in a lengthy story in the LA Times . . . . quite interesting actually.

The animated Sackhoff found it difficult to lie to her fellow actors about what was going on. (Deceit doesn't seem to be her forte, generally speaking: In the first minute of this interview, Sackhoff admitted that she was hung over, because, she said, "I don't want you to think I'm stupid. I'd rather you think I'm, you know, a drunk.")

Eick soon realized that this part of the plan simply wouldn't work among the close group of friends in the "Battlestar Galactica" cast. "It wasn't fair to her," he said. "She was going to have to lie to literally everybody in the cast: 'Yeah, yeah, I know, it's awfully sad. I'm gonna miss you guys!' It got ridiculous at a certain point. She was a trooper; I think she would have done anything we asked her to. But she's not inhuman!"

So the cast was told that Sackhoff and Starbuck were there to stay, but anyone else deemed a potential leak was kept in the dark. Including Sackhoff's own father. "My dad has a big mouth, and I knew he would get on his e-mail list and tell everyone," she said.


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...dlines-entnews

Cowperson

[worth]

ha thats a good article there. thanks for posting.

[Bobblehead]

"pulling a Duchovny"

LOL.

[CaptainCrunch]

More on the deception

About midway through the "Frak party Q&A" here:

http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/do...ty_podcast.mp3

1. RDM and David Eick called Katee before the Maelstrom script was released, telling her not to freak out when she reads the part where she dies. They explained their ultimate plan for Starbuck, that she'd return at the end of the finale. RDM explicitly says that she's not really dead (I take that to mean that she's *probably* not Head-Starbuck a la Six or an hallucination by Lee).


2. They told her to be completely tight lipped about it, and not even tell the cast. This probably lead to her completely fabricating her statements in the Cort & Fatboy interview.


3. The cast "flipped out" when they found out that Starbuck was apparently being killed. Particularly EJO and Mary McDonnel. RDM describes it as a "near mutiny".


4. The studio called RDM and told him that the cast was in an uproar. To calm things down, he called EJO and Mary and told them the secret.


6. A farewell dinner party had already been planned by the cast for Katee. After finding out, EJO decided to play it up and pretend to cry at her party.


7. A fake ending few pages were written to the Crossroads script, so the rest of the cast was kept in the dark with regards to Katee's return (as well as the identity of the Cylons)


8. Starbuck's return at the end of the episode was shot after the Season 3 wrap party.



so there it is. The whole thing was a ruse.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

More on the deception

6. A farewell dinner party had already been planned by the cast for Katee. After finding out, EJO decided to play it up and pretend to cry at her party.

Hahaha . . . . . always fun to be in on the joke and torture other people.

I'm in the process of watching season 3 again so, since no one else is chipping in, hopefully I'll be able to answer Clintonium's question from last week.

Cowperson

[worth]

I started from the beginning with the miniseries the other night.

Don't they go to the nebula because it looks like the eye of jupiter, and the eye of jupiter marks the roadmap to earth? Something like that I think.