2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I actually feel a little bad for him.
Watching the video he was super lonely and had nothing but his computer for 2 years. Seems like a guy with little or no friends or family around him.

He made a very dumb decision, but he seems like a sad individual.

You're not reading the room bro.
Doesn't matter if dude is not functionally literate or he's nearly incapable of living alone. #### him for being duped by these charlatans. Same as the old people who were frauded out of their life savings by these criminals. #### those old people for being so stupid. Serves them right

[indes]

I'd be calling him an idiot if he spent all his money, lost his job and lost his house going to help habitat for humanity or Unicef.

Just goes to show how illogical a train of thought these people are following.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You're not reading the room bro.
Doesn't matter if dude is not functionally literate or he's nearly incapable of living alone. #### him for being duped by these charlatans. Same as the old people who were frauded out of their life savings by these criminals. #### those old people for being so stupid. Serves them right

It's easy to laugh at the dumb guy, but it's tough to blame him for it. Ya ya, personally responsibility and all, but is it he is fault his not equipped to handle perhaps the greatest period of disinformation we have ever seen? Much smarter people than him have been fooled.

This is why I'm so frustrated with the continued existence of Rebel Media. They cheerleaded this on from day one, they've wound these people up, setup fundraising (how much have they done to help the mess they created?), and convinced these people to make news stories for them at the expense of everything they have, perpetuating the sewer cycle. Yet we still have people on this very forum getting their "news" from them, and spewing it here. Rebel gets rich, and our society suffers.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's easy to laugh at the dumb guy, but it's tough to blame him for it. Ya ya, personally responsibility and all, but is it his fault his not equipped to handle perhaps the greatest period of disinformation we have ever seen? Much smarter people than him have been fooled.


This is why I'm so frustrated with the continued existence of Rebel Media. They cheerleaded this on from day one, they've wound these people up, setup fundraising (how much have they done to help the mess they created?), and convinced these people to make news stories for them at the expense of everything they have, perpetuating the sewer cycle. Yet we still have people on this very forum getting their "news" from them, and spewing it here. Rebel gets rich, and our society suffers.

Honestly - Rebel media at least has financial motives. I'd venture the reason that far right ideas gain more tractions than far left is that that the far right is much more lucrative. Being a loud mouth far right person pays more than being a far left loud mouth.

The politicians who support things like this are the ones who irritate me.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I actually feel a little bad for him.
Watching the video he was super lonely and had nothing but his computer for 2 years. Seems like a guy with little or no friends or family around him.

He made a very dumb decision, but he seems like a sad individual.

For a lonely person I can see the attraction of being part of a group and feeling like you are part of something. I sympathize to an extent for gullible people that got sucked into the cause, but at the end of the day he's an adult and has to live with the consequences of his actions.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

but at the end of the day he's an adult and has to live with the consequences of his actions.

This is the lesson freedom fools find so hard to learn.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

This is the lesson freedom fools find so hard to learn.

Because at their core, they view that it's always someone else's fault for their state in life. Which in turn leads to aggressive whining. Then rebel media comes in and monetizes this whining to the fools detriment.

[speede5]

I know everyone on this forum is as woke as you can get but there are a lot of good people out there who complied with all the mandates, but still wanted them to end, thought some of it was over reach and thought the trucker convoy wasn't a big evil. Contrary to popular opinion everyone is not glued to their screens 10 hrs a day and it was easy for people who were tired and frustrated, to see what looked like a protest solely against mandates and get on board.

I also think it's ok for people to be hesitant on being mandatorily vaccinated, even though myself and most of my family are, I don't think everyone should be forced. It was an easy target for the grifters to take advantage of people and over time it may even get people to look closer at the things they jump aboard.

I don't think it's fair to be so harsh to judge. I was pretty hard on people at first but have had some really good convo's with some close friends on these topics and they aren't idiots or bad people, they just have different views.

Anyway I'm sure I'll get slaughtered but whatever. There's a lot of people on this forum behaving exactly the way they hate from the other side and it might be worth looking in the mirror a bit.

[Playfair]

Originally Posted by speede5

I know everyone on this forum is as woke as you can get but there are a lot of good people out there who complied with all the mandates, but still wanted them to end, thought some of it was over reach and thought the trucker convoy wasn't a big evil. Contrary to popular opinion everyone is not glued to their screens 10 hrs a day and it was easy for people who were tired and frustrated, to see what looked like a protest solely against mandates and get on board.

I also think it's ok for people to be hesitant on being mandatorily vaccinated, even though myself and most of my family are, I don't think everyone should be forced. It was an easy target for the grifters to take advantage of people and over time it may even get people to look closer at the things they jump aboard.

I don't think it's fair to be so harsh to judge. I was pretty hard on people at first but have had some really good convo's with some close friends on these topics and they aren't idiots or bad people, they just have different views.

Anyway I'm sure I'll get slaughtered but whatever. There's a lot of people on this forum behaving exactly the way they hate from the other side and it might be worth looking in the mirror a bit.

No, I agree with you. It has been a terrible strain on everyone, and there is so much misinformation. I don’t think it is cut and dry. Not everyone who was part of the convoy were stupid, or woke etc. some were sincere like this poor guy. He’s an adult who messed up. I find it incredibly sad. None of us is perfect. Easy to point fingers but truthfully none of us have full understanding of everything that happened and is happening for that matter. I don’t agree with the convoy, felt it wrong it got as far and big as it was and that it was mishandled. I also think some were voicing what they saw as legitimate concerns but in illegitimate ways. We have the right to protest but not at the expense of everyday people.

There is no true morality in any of it because the dart of truth keeps changing directions and feeds fear on both sides. People need hope, people need love, people need to know that people care about them. Regardless of political affiliation, race, or creed. We judge far too harshly far too quickly in the days of the internet and social media.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

No, it’s cut and dry. Everyone who was part of the convoy are stupid and anyone who is unvaxxed is an idiot.

If you felt any mandates were too harsh, feel free to discuss those and some of your points could be valid, but if you were duped by the convoy, you should have figured it out after like two days that they were extremist morons and distanced yourself from them because they didn’t share your beliefs of “a little bit of gov overreach”.

Nobody in their right mind supports the convoy or the YYC protestors or any other of those insane extremist groups. Nobody. Those people were degenerates bordering on domestic terorrists, with much more in common with the Jan 6th rioters, white supremacists, maga losers, and far right wing fringe crazies.

The Venn diagram of normal everyday people who were fully vaxxed but wanted some changes to the mandates out of common sense (like testing requirements for fully vaccinated travellers) and the convoy was basically nil.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by speede5

I also think it's ok for people to be hesitant on being mandatorily vaccinated, even though myself and most of my family are, I don't think everyone should be forced.

I have never felt that anyone should be FORCED to be vaccinated. However, I do feel that if you make the choice to not be vaccinated, that you accept the consequences that come with that choice.

Having the freedom to make a choice, and then bellyaching about the consequences of that choice is what my problem with the 'anti-vaxx/mandate' crowd is.

You are free to make a choice. You are not free of the consequences of that choice, like them or not.

[Playfair]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No, it’s cut and dry. Everyone who was part of the convoy are stupid and anyone who is unvaxxed is an idiot.

If you felt any mandates were too harsh, feel free to discuss those and some of your points could be valid, but if you were duped by the convoy, you should have figured it out after like two days that they were extremist morons and distanced yourself from them because they didn’t share your beliefs of “a little bit of gov overreach”.

Nobody in their right mind supports the convoy or the YYC protestors or any other of those insane extremist groups. Nobody. Those people were degenerates bordering on domestic terorrists, with much more in common with the Jan 6th rioters, white supremacists, maga losers, and far right wing fringe crazies.

The Venn diagram of normal everyday people who were fully vaxxed but wanted some changes to the mandates out of common sense (like testing requirements for fully vaccinated travellers) and the convoy was basically nil.

Then you’re stupid and an idiot for being a Liberal stooge who believed everything that they feed you and believe everyone with a differing opinion is a moron. You’re acting exactly like you are accusing them of doing.

I say all of that to make a point, not to accuse you which is hard to ‘see’ in text form. They can throw the same type of information from doctors and sources right back at you. The point is that there is so much misinformation on both sides and the absolute reality is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. We should be free to choose, but the science can’t be denied. That kind of thing. Hopefully you see my point

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Playfair

Then you’re stupid and an idiot for being a Liberal stooge who believed everything that they feed you and believe everyone with a differing opinion is a moron. You’re acting exactly like you are accusing them of doing.

I say all of that to make a point, not to accuse you which is hard to ‘see’ in text form. They can throw the same type of information from doctors and sources right back at you. The point is that there is so much misinformation on both sides and the absolute reality is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. We should be free to choose, but the science can’t be denied. That kind of thing. Hopefully you see my point

No! Absolutely not. There is not an equivalency here, and claiming there is just plays into the misinformation. This isn't a both sides thing.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I have never felt that anyone should be FORCED to be vaccinated. However, I do feel that if you make the choice to not be vaccinated, that you accept the consequences that come with that choice.

Having the freedom to make a choice, and then bellyaching about the consequences of that choice is what my problem with the 'anti-vaxx/mandate' crowd is.

You are free to make a choice. You are not free of the consequences of that choice, like them or not.

We got as close as you can get to being forced. I don't fully disagree with your comments on consequence and have said the same thing several times, however I feel in this case the consequences were too high to just shrug at. It's one thing to say I can't travel without a vaccine, but to not be able to work was too much. I think it actually pushed some people to the fringe.

I am expecting in time that the vax mandate will be dropped in most workplaces, is it fair that these people were ostracized? This thing is so benign now that you can test positive and still be allowed to continue with your day to day in public without a mask (yes I understand vaxxing was part of getting us there). We were never going to get 100% vaxed and we knew herd immunity was the goal. We're there.

I was hesitant to get vaxxed, I don't like the idea of not letting my body fight off something it should be capable of handling. I don't understand all the science of medicine and put a lot of trust in the medical community when I did get vaxxed. The rational side of me says that there is nothing nefarious about pushing the vax.

Did I really want to though, no not really. Was it a hill I was willing to die on, no not at all. But the rhetoric on the pro side of this is not far off the anti and that makes it hard for everyone.

I also think there's a difference between the person who just wants to know they can trust the science and the guy with a huge Canadian and American flag waving off the back of his jacked F350. There's a specific demographic that is carrying this thing on and has been empowered and I don't think the two are the same.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by speede5

I was hesitant to get vaxxed, I don't like the idea of not letting my body fight off something it should be capable of handling.

Huh? That's exactly what a vaccine is. An unknown virus enters your body. Your immune system doesn't know what it is, so it's not capable of handling it. So you get really sick and possibly die. A vaccine gives your own natural immune system the blueprint it needs to fight the virus. This is like...Grade 4 Health class stuff.

[Yamer]

Bleeding hearts unite.

You're gonna have a bad time trying to "both sides, many sides" this situation for the simple reason that one of those sides is objectively abhorrent and delusional. There is no opposing equivalent here to purposefully sacrificing peoples health and livelihoods through manufactured disinformation. There is no comparable to occupying, terrorizing, and partially shutting down a city for the healthy part of a month. There isn't a both sides argument to be made when a primary segment of this "protest" was the complete undermining and overthrow of democracy in Canada. Which critics of this convoy are on the streets harrassing and assaulting journalists?

What would be the similarly dangerous rhetoric and action from the people calling these people idiots? And make no mistake, these people are dangerous idiots. They aren't just ignorant, they're willfully and aggressively ignorant. We told them that Tamara Lich was a grifting element of a Western separatist party that had no basis in logic. We told them that Chris Barber and Pat King were problematic players with highly questionable associations with and opinions on racism and white supremacy. We told them this was all a con to enrich these grifters while furthering their fantasies of overthrowing the government and executing politicians and health officials.

All of this information is available to them through multiple mainstream and alternative sources of media. Yet, when we tell them these things they scream "sheep", "nazi" (and "antifa", somehow), "child abusers", and a plethora of other slurs and insults all while plugging their ears, stamping their feet, and relentlessly honking their damn horns. They retreat back to Rebel, Rumble, Telegram, and Facebook without a lick of irony.

This isn't some grandma that doesn't understand how a computer or phone works. These are grown toddlers that argue about their "first amendment rights" at a bail hearing throwing a tantrum because they hate Justin Trudeau. Of course there were people that got caught up in the whirlwind of this layered onion of....whatever it was. However, it requires agency to get in a car, drive to Ottawa, create effigies and mock gallows of politicians, deface the Canadian flag with fascist and racist symbolism, occupy a city for a month, honk your horn all day and night, piss and #### in the street, and harass and intimidate regular citizens in masks and mainstream media members they complain never give them attention.

They get no sympathy because they deserve no sympathy. If they want to earn it back like a reformed skinhead then I'm willing to listen, but starting off with "I got kicked out of my house because I have different views" when in reality it's because you couldn't pay your rent because you refused to see the thousands of red flags flapping in your face while you drove east isn't going to earn any favor from this guy.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Huh? That's exactly what a vaccine is. An unknown virus enters your body. Your immune system doesn't know what it is, so it's not capable of handling it. So you get really sick and possibly die. A vaccine gives your own natural immune system the blueprint it needs to fight the virus. This is like...Grade 4 Health class stuff.

Ok you got me there.

I was in the military when the whole mefloquine thing happened. I have been vaccinated twice for just about everything you get from birth. People can talk about choice all they want but I've seen people not given any choice in what goes in their body. I've also seen people get really ####ed up by what went in their bodies, that was 'safe'.

Forgive me for being hesitant.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by speede5

I am expecting in time that the vax mandate will be dropped in most workplaces, is it fair that these people were ostracized?

Yes, it is completely fair to ostracize them, because...

This thing is so benign now that you can test positive and still be allowed to continue with your day to day in public without a mask (yes I understand vaxxing was part of getting us there). We were never going to get 100% vaxed and we knew herd immunity was the goal. We're there.

...They are NOT WILLING TO HELP get there and turn 'this thing benign now'. They are NOT WILLING TO HELP get to herd immunity.

They want/reap all the benefits, with none of the risks/effort/responsibility. They are LUCKY, imo, to 'just be ostracized'.

I was hesitant to get vaxxed, I don't like the idea of not letting my body fight off something it should be capable of handling.

Tell me you don't understand what a vaccine IS, without telling me you don't understand what a vaccine IS!

I don't understand all the science of medicine and put a lot of trust in the medical community when I did get vaxxed. The rational side of me says that there is nothing nefarious about pushing the vax.

Yes, saving lives, so nefarious. Much evil plotz. How dare the health care community care about our health. Those bastards.

I also think there's a difference between the person who just wants to know they can trust the science and the guy with a huge Canadian and American flag waving off the back of his jacked F350.

There isn't. The info is out there, easily accessible to all. Neither is making use of it and preferring to cling to their ideas instead of learning and growing.

[Johnny Makarov]

It's 2022 and 11.2 billion shots have been given...... You are a moran if you have not been vaccinated yet.

You aholes are ruining it for the rest of us non-deplorables!!!

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Playfair

Then you’re stupid and an idiot for being a Liberal stooge who believed everything that they feed you and believe everyone with a differing opinion is a moron. You’re acting exactly like you are accusing them of doing.

I say all of that to make a point, not to accuse you which is hard to ‘see’ in text form. They can throw the same type of information from doctors and sources right back at you. The point is that there is so much misinformation on both sides and the absolute reality is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. We should be free to choose, but the science can’t be denied. That kind of thing. Hopefully you see my point

Is there misinformation from both sides? Sure I guess, but I would say that one side is intentionally doing so far more than than the other.

Is the truth somewhere in the middle? Sure I guess, but let's not pretend that it looks like this

"Mainstream Media"---------------truth---------------Rebel News, et al

When in reality it looks like this:

"Mainstream Media"---truth---------------------------Rebel News, et al

And let's not pretend that the reason for that gap on the right side isn't because of intentional dissemination of flat out lies.