[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

When a trade call is made, the players contract is reviewed including No trade clauses.

On the trade call that sent Dadonov to Vegas, what is being reported, is when the league brought up Dadonov's no trade list and if it would block the trade, the Sens said or implied that Dadonov missed the deadline to submit his no trade list and therefore his NTC was invalidated and there wasn't a no trade list to forward to Vegas.

Whether the Sens knowingly lied or made a mistake is unknown. The Sens aren't commenting on it and given how loose (and nonexistant) the rules are for players and teams on submitting no trade lists, we may never know.

But logically, there wasn't much for the Sens to gain by lying about Dadonov missing the deadline so most likely the Sens made a mistake.

So, essentially the OTT -> VGK trade was a perfect storm of Ottawa saying the NTC is invalid and the player not having Vegas on their no-trade list (or having them on their do-trade list), and therefore no need for anyone to follow up. It wasn't until VGK tried to move him to ANA that the player interjected to say Anaheim is on their no-trade list (or isn't on their do-trade list).

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So, essentially the OTT -> VGK trade was a perfect storm of Ottawa saying the NTC is invalid and the player not having Vegas on their no-trade list (or having them on their do-trade list), and therefore no need for anyone to follow up. It wasn't until VGK tried to move him to ANA that the player interjected to say Anaheim is on their no-trade list (or isn't on their do-trade list).

Also, you have a player with trade protection getting traded twice in the same season, which is rare. If they hadn't tried to trade him until after July 1 (or whenever his next list is due), this wouldn't have been an issue either.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

When a trade call is made, the players contract is reviewed including No trade clauses.

On the trade call that sent Dadonov to Vegas, what is being reported, is when the league brought up Dadonov's no trade list and if it would block the trade, the Sens said or implied that Dadonov missed the deadline to submit his no trade list and therefore his NTC was invalidated and there wasn't a no trade list to forward to Vegas.

Whether the Sens knowingly lied or made a mistake is unknown. The Sens aren't commenting on it and given how loose (and nonexistant) the rules are for players and teams on submitting no trade lists, we may never know.

But logically, there wasn't much for the Sens to gain by lying about Dadonov missing the deadline so most likely the Sens made a mistake.

In a "competent" organization, this seems like a glaring hole, lie, or mischaracterization of what actually occurred. Someone is butt-covering. Somewhere.

Vegas failed to ask?
Ottawa failed to tell?
Neither the player nor the agent were contacted?
The NHL "assumed"? (we know where that goes...)

Absolutely unbelievable in all respects.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still think it rests with Ottawa. They claimed the NTC was no longer valid because the player didn't file in time. So from that point that what was thought was true by both Vegas and the Registry.
But we now know that wasn't the case. He did file in time.
So you could actually argue that Vegas would have a case to claim that the deal with Ottawa was a mis-representation if they believed they acquired a player who's NTC was no longer in place.

But there's no cover up here. Someone in Ottawa simply F'd up.

[tvp2003]

Dadonov with a goal and an assist tonight…

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think it rests with Ottawa. They claimed the NTC was no longer valid because the player didn't file in time. So from that point that what was thought was true by both Vegas and the Registry.
But we now know that wasn't the case. He did file in time.
So you could actually argue that Vegas would have a case to claim that the deal with Ottawa was a mis-representation if they believed they acquired a player who's NTC was no longer in place.

But there's no cover up here. Someone in Ottawa simply F'd up.

Somebody in Ottawa could have flat out lied. The cat stealing the print-out could have been the culprit, or even a lawyer that got a bonus. Doesn't change the fact that any self respecting half billion dollar organization, or the layman buying a house, or even a guy buying a car, shouldn't check the paperwork for themselves.

Even if every person in the entire city of Ottawa lied, it is still absolutely ridiculous that Vegas didn't figure it out within about 10 minutes of the initial trade, last year. You're trying to spend millions of dollars on a depreciating asset. Call your lawyer. Read the contract. See what's filed. Check with land titles. Get a real property report. Check amvic. Check for liens. Pull their credit. Look them up on Facebook Capfriendly?

Even if Ottawa did do something shady, how in the hell did it get by the people Vegas should be paying to make sure it doesn't happen? The irony. The references to Casino. The fact that some people think that not doing due diligence makes it the other guy's fault. Ottawa could have lied thinking they were telling the truth. Or they could have lied on purpose. Either way, now it's your problem to prove it, stupid.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Dadonov with a goal and an assist tonight…

Actually 1g 2a

[devo22]

even if Ottawa screwed up, Dadonov has been a member of the Golden Knights for about 8 months. If Ottawa indeed told them that Dadonov hadn't provided his list in time, there'd still have been more than enough time to at least check with the player or his agent during the last, you know, 8 months ... especially if you're thinking about trading the guy again (there were rumours in January that they might flip him). Was there really zero communication with the player's camp about this during all that time? That's on Vegas. At least do your due diligence.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think it rests with Ottawa. They claimed the NTC was no longer valid because the player didn't file in time. So from that point that what was thought was true by both Vegas and the Registry.
But we now know that wasn't the case. He did file in time.
So you could actually argue that Vegas would have a case to claim that the deal with Ottawa was a mis-representation if they believed they acquired a player who's NTC was no longer in place.

But there's no cover up here. Someone in Ottawa simply F'd up.

Legally, if the parties had a mutual mistake of fact a contract ca n be voided or rectified BUT not if they acted on it. Which they did. The next remedy would be Ottawa owes them something. But quantify those damages - it’s not very easy.

[Gaskal]

Lol what a bunch of slimy ####s

Oh crap we didn't move out 5 million in salary.

Guess we'll just 'magically' move 5 million in salary from IR to LTIR. How about that.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1507522431895969797

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Legally, if the parties had a mutual mistake of fact a contract ca n be voided or rectified BUT not if they acted on it. Which they did. The next remedy would be Ottawa owes them something. But quantify those damages - it’s not very easy.

Would be tricky, I think. Proving Ottawa actually owes them anything would be a feat in itself, let alone trying to quantify damages (as you mentioned).

[Cycling76er]

Is this still a [RUMOR] of is this now [NEWS]?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Would be tricky, I think. Proving Ottawa actually owes them anything would be a feat in itself, let alone trying to quantify damages (as you mentioned).

Right. The Knights got the main benefit of their deal - the player. They would have to prove the lack of a NTC specifically regarding teh Ducks was material at the time of the initial trade.

[klikitiklik]

This is getting beyond ridiculous and classless. At what point is it not outright cheating? I know they are "playing within the system" but it they are still a classless organization.

I can't get over how much I really dislike that slimeball team and GM. He is sullying the name of one of the greatest defensive defenseman in the league. At least we got the right brother.

[Enoch Root]

What exactly is the problem with that? He is hurt and hasn't played since March 8th.

Unless the organization hit him in the knee with a hammer, exactly what do you think they have done wrong here?

[dino7c]

Nothing is with the move specifically but they have obviously had guys who would have been playing if they weren't trying to game the cap system.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Nothing is with the move specifically but they have obviously had guys who would have been playing if they weren't trying to game the cap system.

Who?

I haven't seen a corresponding move to bring someone else into the lineup off LTIR.

Martinez is/was close is all i could find on it, but he is dealing with concussion stuff and we all know how that can go.

In fact I suspect Brett Howdon will be added here shortly too after being stretchered off the ice last game, so they have to be running out of bodies at this point.

All this while they fight for their playoff lives.

If they are truly gaming the system, they sure are doing a poor job of it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Who?

I haven't seen a corresponding move to bring someone else into the lineup off LTIR.

Martinez is/was close is all i could find on it, but he is dealing with concussion stuff and we all know how that can go.

In fact I suspect Brett Howdon will be added here shortly too after being stretchered off the ice last game, so they have to be running out of bodies at this point.

All this while they fight for their playoff lives.

If they are truly gaming the system, they sure are doing a poor job of it.

They just tried to give Dadonov away...they obviously had someone ready to come back in who didn't because they don't have room. Who said they were doing a good job? They got cocky and it might cost them.

If they make the playoffs 3+ guys will return and some of you will be like "oh that's just the timeline for that injury" lol

League is looking at changing LTIR rules, it's not a coincidence.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They just tried to give Dadonov away...they obviously had someone ready to come back in who didn't because they don't have room. Who said they were doing a good job? They got cocky and it might cost them.

If they make the playoffs 3+ guys will return and some of you will be like "oh that's just the timeline for that injury" lol

League is looking at changing LTIR rules, it's not a coincidence.

Thank you! Exactly what I am saying. It is just sleazy business practices.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They just tried to give Dadonov away...they obviously had someone ready to come back in who didn't because they don't have room. Who said they were doing a good job? They got cocky and it might cost them.

If they make the playoffs 3+ guys will return and some of you will be like "oh that's just the timeline for that injury" lol

League is looking at changing LTIR rules, it's not a coincidence.

Here's the difference between you and me....I know what I dont know.

And what I dont know is how Martinez concussion issues are going or how Mark Stones back feels, or how Howdens feeling after being stretchered off the ice or how Lehners groin feels...or any of it.

So it would be impossible for me to claim a timeline of any sort.

Obviously if they are cheating and able to conspire with players to not play who are healthy (which i think is impossible to do) while their playoff chances slip away completely, then they should be held accountable.


And I was under the impression the league is looking at implementing a playoff cap, not change the existing LTIR rules....but again you may know something different?