“ ‘We’re going back to a USSR’: long queues return for Russian shoppers as sanctions bite
After an hour and a half queuing for sugar, or worse still fighting for it in a market, Russians are feeling the effect of shortages caused by an unprecedented cutoff from the world”
The story about severe shortage of sugar in Saratov is correct and is widely available in Russian web. However, it does not paint a correct overall picture regarding current situation in Russia. There seems to be no shortage of anything on national scale and shops are still full of things in Moscow. At least, for now.
The ever more agressive postering by US, the scarier it is for an average Russian. At this point for us it's not about whether Russians committed war crimes (they did) or whether the war made any sense to begin with (it didn't). It's about whether US would retaliate with some kind of a strike on Moscow. US embassy in Moscow says "Do not travel (to Russia) and leave immediately" as a travel advice. I'm back to thinking I should send my family to some distant town. Also some people at my work, particularly younger males, fled Russia for nearby countries such as Turkey or Armenia.
Come on now, you actually think the US is going to hit somewhere in Moscow?
No one is going to do anything in Russia unless Putin uses a nuke.
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The ever more agressive postering by US, the scarier it is for an average Russian. At this point for us it's not about whether Russians committed war crimes (they did) or whether the war made any sense to begin with (it didn't). It's about whether US would retaliate with some kind of a strike on Moscow. US embassy in Moscow says "Do not travel (to Russia) and leave immediately" as a travel advice. I'm back to thinking I should send my family to some distant town. Also some people at my work, particularly younger males, fled Russia for nearby countries such as Turkey or Armenia.
With this new declaration by the US, the evidence will be brought before ICC or the UN and used as justification to levy greater sanctions (not that the ones in place already don't hurt the Russian economy/Putin already), which in turn will have Putin hurt the Russian people. A direct strike on Russia by the US will almost never happen because of the potential nuclear implications, however unrest in Moscow itself (due to war wariness or supply shortages), declines on average Russian standard of living, or domestic crackdowns by Russian authorities are inevitable. If Putin uses the nuclear option first, all bets are off though with Moscow as a target.
It is far better to get out while you can, then be the last one waiting to be rescued assuming one is not staying to try to protect home/affect change.
With this new declaration by the US, the evidence will be brought before ICC or the UN and used as justification to levy greater sanctions (not that the ones in place already don't hurt the Russian economy/Putin already), which in turn will have Putin hurt the Russian people. A direct strike on Russia by the US will almost never happen because of the potential nuclear implications, however unrest in Moscow itself (due to war wariness or supply shortages), declines on average Russian standard of living, or domestic crackdowns by Russian authorities are inevitable. If Putin uses the nuclear option first, all bets are off though with Moscow as a target.
It is far better to get out while you can, then be the last one waiting to be rescued assuming one is not staying to try to protect home/affect change.
Get out while you can? That is your advice. Why? Because of sanctions or nuclear war?
The ever more agressive postering by US, the scarier it is for an average Russian. At this point for us it's not about whether Russians committed war crimes (they did) or whether the war made any sense to begin with (it didn't). It's about whether US would retaliate with some kind of a strike on Moscow. US embassy in Moscow says "Do not travel (to Russia) and leave immediately" as a travel advice. I'm back to thinking I should send my family to some distant town. Also some people at my work, particularly younger males, fled Russia for nearby countries such as Turkey or Armenia.
The reason for that warning is the same reason all western countries are warning their citizens not to travel to Russia. They're unreliable and likely to arrest you and hold you hostage, and there's few easy ways out of the country.
Russia invades a sovereign nation, shells civilians, passes repressive laws on it's own people, and the US is posturing aggressively somehow. Weird.
Putin is making the very statements you're saying punishable by prison time, but you're worried about America?
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The reason for that warning is the same reason all western countries are warning their citizens not to travel to Russia. They're unreliable and likely to arrest you and hold you hostage, and there's few easy ways out of the country.
Russia invades a sovereign nation, shells civilians, passes repressive laws on it's own people, and the US is posturing aggressively somehow. Weird.
Putin is making the very statements you're saying punishable by prison time, but you're worried about America?
There are obviously other things to worry about, such as losing a job, but a treat of some kind of military intervention by US, though still remote, is getting bigger by day. What's the point of officially declaring that Russians committed war crimes, if not to act on this declaration later?
There are obviously other things to worry about, such as losing a job, but a treat of some kind of military intervention by US, though still remote, is getting bigger by day. What's the point of officially declaring that Russians committed war crimes, if not to act on this declaration later?
To record the fact it happens so those who committed them can be held accountable? Bombing a city wouldn't be considered a response
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Come on now, you actually think the US is going to hit somewhere in Moscow?
No one is going to do anything in Russia unless Putin uses a nuke.
That's what most people think. Many st people also thought Putin won't invade. Once he did, most people thought Ukraine would fall within weeks. Events unfolding are so unusual that nobody really has a clue on what will happen next. I get that chances of US attack on Moscow are slim. But they are getting bigger and bigger. What if US will get a reliable intel that their spies are in firm control of a launch pad and thus Putin won't be able to nuke back? Crazy idea, but crazier things are literally unfolding before our eyes
To record the fact it happens so those who committed them can be held accountable? Bombing a city wouldn't be considered a response
The last time US declared that another president has committed war crimes, they bombed his country (Iraq). I get Saddam didn't have nukes, but it appears to be the only thing that stops US from striking Moscow. Could US perform some kind of sabotage on Russian's nuclear weapons and then strike? Average men such as me don't really understand how it works and it's worries.
1. US is obviously itching to destroy Putin
2. The only thing that's stopping them is nukes
3. US secret service are very likely trying their best to undermine Putin's ability to nuke
4. US have their spies very close to Putin. Putin has been really scared by US intelligence, as evidenced by the fact that he has limited US embassy capacity some years ago because of their alleged spying activity.
5. Now what if by the end if the year US intelligence will figure out how to neutralize Russia's ability to nuke back? Then US blasts Moscow off map and be done with it.
I still think it's unlikely. But I no longer think it's impossible
Russians are so ####ing weird. I can't begin to understand the victim complex. Everything is an existential crisis to them and they're always constantly under fear of a western reprisal. Meanwhile they're raping Ukrainian women soldiers to death and chopping up their bodes. Bombing hospitals and elementary schools. What a bunch of horse####.
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The last time US declared that another president has committed war crimes, they bombed his country (Iraq). I get Saddam didn't have nukes, but it appears to be the only thing that stops US from striking Moscow. Could US perform some kind of sabotage on Russian's nuclear weapons and then strike? Average men such as me don't really understand how it works and it's worries.
1. US is obviously itching to destroy Putin
2. The only thing that's stopping them is nukes
3. US secret service are very likely trying their best to undermine Putin's ability to nuke
4. US have their spies very close to Putin. Putin has been really scared by US intelligence, as evidenced by the fact that he has limited US embassy capacity some years ago because of their alleged spying activity.
5. Now what if by the end if the year US intelligence will figure out how to neutralize Russia's ability to nuke back? Then US blasts Moscow off map and be done with it.
I still think it's unlikely. But I no longer think it's impossible
If the US is bombing Moscow with anything we are in a global thermonuclear war and it doesnt matter where you or your family are we are all effed, my assumption is that there will be a few steps before that, first and most likely would be Putin using chemical weapons in Kyiv and other populated areas, a massive chemical attack that kills tens of thousands is as effective, possibly more than a tactical nuke, the west might respond to this by closing off Ukraine airspace and calling Putin's bluff, at this point I actually think Putin would back down as his face saver would be that the Ukraine was all but destroyed as a threat and he could portray himself as a peacemaker
The speed at which Russian forces are degrading though might make even chemical attacks pointless, if you have no army left to advance there is little point in killing Kyiv
Russians are so ####ing weird. I can't begin to understand the victim complex. Everything is an existential crisis to them and they're always constantly under fear of a western reprisal. Meanwhile they're raping Ukrainian women soldiers to death and chopping up their bodes. Bombing hospitals and elementary schools. What a bunch of horse####.
we in the west have no comprehension of how terrible the war was for Russia, our only point of reference is the holocaust and that hasnt exactly left the Jewish diaspora in a great state of mind, that memory coupled with the disaster of fall of communism and the poverty and pain that caused have left Russia in a sad place, they live in fear of being weak but also live in a country that is no better off than Spain and so by definition cant afford to be strong.
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The last time US declared that another president has committed war crimes, they bombed his country (Iraq). I get Saddam didn't have nukes, but it appears to be the only thing that stops US from striking Moscow. Could US perform some kind of sabotage on Russian's nuclear weapons and then strike? Average men such as me don't really understand how it works and it's worries.
1. US is obviously itching to destroy Putin
2. The only thing that's stopping them is nukes
3. US secret service are very likely trying their best to undermine Putin's ability to nuke
4. US have their spies very close to Putin. Putin has been really scared by US intelligence, as evidenced by the fact that he has limited US embassy capacity some years ago because of their alleged spying activity.
5. Now what if by the end if the year US intelligence will figure out how to neutralize Russia's ability to nuke back? Then US blasts Moscow off map and be done with it.
I still think it's unlikely. But I no longer think it's impossible
I can see leaving Russia due to what is likely to occur there with the economy as this goes on. If the US bombs Russia, we are likely all screwed so I wouldn't move because of that.
The last time US declared that another president has committed war crimes, they bombed his country (Iraq). I get Saddam didn't have nukes, but it appears to be the only thing that stops US from striking Moscow. Could US perform some kind of sabotage on Russian's nuclear weapons and then strike? Average men such as me don't really understand how it works and it's worries.
1. US is obviously itching to destroy Putin
2. The only thing that's stopping them is nukes
3. US secret service are very likely trying their best to undermine Putin's ability to nuke
4. US have their spies very close to Putin. Putin has been really scared by US intelligence, as evidenced by the fact that he has limited US embassy capacity some years ago because of their alleged spying activity.
5. Now what if by the end if the year US intelligence will figure out how to neutralize Russia's ability to nuke back? Then US blasts Moscow off map and be done with it.
I still think it's unlikely. But I no longer think it's impossible
The US can't take away Russia's ability to launch nukes. Their are ICBM silos all over the place, ones that can be launched from planes, and submarines all around the globe. The risk of not shutting down every one of those is too high. Bomb Moscow and miss one sub hanging out in the Pacific? Say goodbye to New York.
I get that your media is probably blasting this possibility out to scare you into understanding Putin's actions, but they are lying. Moscow isn't getting bombed unless Russia really really ####s up. And at that point, we are all ####ed.
Again, if I were you I'd be buying whatever I could while plentiful(including medications-you can barter these if you don't need them), have several escape plans mapped out, and be watching every source of western media I could get my hands on to know the facts. You may not need it, but preparation is key.
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The last time US declared that another president has committed war crimes, they bombed his country (Iraq). I get Saddam didn't have nukes, but it appears to be the only thing that stops US from striking Moscow. Could US perform some kind of sabotage on Russian's nuclear weapons and then strike? Average men such as me don't really understand how it works and it's worries.
1. US is obviously itching to destroy Putin
2. The only thing that's stopping them is nukes
3. US secret service are very likely trying their best to undermine Putin's ability to nuke
4. US have their spies very close to Putin. Putin has been really scared by US intelligence, as evidenced by the fact that he has limited US embassy capacity some years ago because of their alleged spying activity.
5. Now what if by the end if the year US intelligence will figure out how to neutralize Russia's ability to nuke back? Then US blasts Moscow off map and be done with it.
I still think it's unlikely. But I no longer think it's impossible
Hey man, I just want to give you some advice on living in a city that could - theoretically - be nuked by one of the nuclear states at any instant.
You gotta come up with your own 'red line.' What do you think is a legitimate trigger that would motivate the nuclear state to unleash such a weapon? I personally don't think the US would unleash nuclear weapons on Moscow to get rid of Putin. Even if Putin dropped tactical nukes in Ukraine, I don't think they would, not Moscow. But, this isn't about me, this is about you... what is your red line? What's the thing that will say to you "time to go."
For me, here in Taiwan, it's some combination of economic factors (unemployment, inflation) and an active anti-CCP "colour revolution" type event in Beijing which looks like it might actually impact the Communists. That's my "I'm getting the hell out" signal. I could be wildly wrong, but I can't really do anything about that (other than leave right now), so I comfort myself with my own red line. I have made promises to my family and friends that if and when those things arise, I'm on the next plane out.
And then I just live my life. That's, I think, how you have to approach it. Figure out what your signal is going to be. Is it the police forces siding with protesters? Putin using WMD's in Ukraine? Official word that China is turning off the last economic taps? Whatever you pick, pick it, have confidence in it, pay attention to it, and then just keep on keeping on, because otherwise the stress will grind you into a fine powder.
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