2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by AT77

At this point in time, the Flames are going all in, as they should. However, as good as Toffoli and Jarnkrok are for our team in terms of depth scoring, to truly compete and win in a 7-game series against Colorado and other Western Conference teams with solid depth such as Vegas (I believe they’ll make the playoffs and play well considering their depth when healthy) and St. Louis (their top 9 depth is unreal), I think we have to make another major splash, and in order to do so, we need to unload Monahan. At this point in time, he brings nothing advantageous to this team. He’s slow, a defensive liability, and his offensive abilities have completely diminished. Trading him won’t hurt the team in terms of morale (due to his friendships with others on the team) as players know this is a business, and this is their best chance to win a cup this year, or at least make the finals, with how weak the West is compared to the East. Due to his 10-team no trade list, Treliving needs to be working the phones to the 20 other teams who may be willing to take on Monahan with his expiring contract after next year. If a 1st or 2nd round pick need to be included, so be it, if some salary needs to be retained, so be it. In the latter case, we’ll need to trade for another player whose current team also retains salary, since we’ll be on the hook for some of Monahan’s if we retain in his case.

Obviously, the perfect target would have been Hertl, but since he’s locked up now, who’s available that will put us over the top and allow us to truly compete and beat those aforementioned teams above? Giroux? It’s unclear if he wants to come to Canada, but with restrictions now being lifted across all provinces, he may be willing to, because if Colorado gets him, I think the Avs come out of the West. If they do indeed get him, that makes the case for us needing to make another trade even more significant.

Miller? I highly doubt Vancouver trades him at this point, especially to a division rival.

Aside from those two, the only other trade candidate I can think of is Domi. I think he’s a solid player who can slot in between Toffoli and Mangiapane on the second line. He may not be the biggest or the toughest, but he has heart and is a passionate player who’ll be rejuvenated playing on a far better team.

If not any of those, I like the way Crouse plays for Arizona. He’s got size and skill and finally seems to be putting it all together and turning into a solid top 6 forward. He’s definitely the type of big body, heavy hitting presence that we can use in the playoffs, and once Lucic’s contract is up, he’ll essentially be a replacement for Lucic, with far more youth, skill, and upside. If we can somehow get a package for Crouse AND Chychrun, I think that’ll put us over the top, if not for Giroux. Maybe something along the lines of one of Zary/Coronato/Pelletier, Valimaki, Dube, a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd/4th/lesser prospect. Yes giving away those picks, along with the ones we've already given away for Toffoli and Jarnkork hurts and is a hit to our future, but the time is now. This is it, this is our best chance since 2004. I can literally feel it.

Of course, this all hinges on if Monahan can be moved, but I truly believe he needs to be with us going all in. We have proven we can compete with the teams mentioned above, but the playoffs are a different animal, especially when considering a long, gruelling 7-game series, and not to mention the fact that if we can get out of the West, we’re going to be running into a complete monster from the East. And at this time, I want the ####ING cup, not just a finals appearance.

Nope. Monahan is here for this run.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m with mathgod, no reason to make a big splash now with the team and the room the way it is but the rumours around Mony make me think something bigger could be at play. Freaks me out to think though because we’ve left the room largely in tact while adding Toffoli and Jarnkrok, no need to get greedy.

[TheScorpion]

I highly doubt anything is going to happen with Monahan.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I highly doubt anything is going to happen with Monahan.

I really wouldn't want it to...unless your are getting one of the maybe 2 big names available there isn't an upgrade worth destroying the chemistry.

Offseason is different.

[Krynn]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they got Domi Treliving would have managed to have 9 2013 first rounders in Calgary.

Really wow

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Krynn

Really wow

It’s not quite the accomplishment it sounds like since it includes Rychel, Poirier, Shinkaruk, Klimchuk and Lazar. 3 guys from the 2013 first round who played for Calgary still play for the Flames, 1 plays for another team and 4 are out of the league.

[sureLoss]

Hughes claiming he isn't keen on moving Kulak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1504465997171937288

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1504464912097153029

[Poe969]

I hope looch doesn't hurt himself at practice and have to go on LTIR today....that would suck

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by AT77

to truly compete and win in a 7-game series against Colorado and other Western Conference teams with solid depth such as Vegas (I believe they’ll make the playoffs and play well considering their depth when healthy) and St. Louis (their top 9 depth is unreal), I think we have to make another major splash,

Check our head to head against the mentioned teams. Your post is bollox man.

This team, without the Jarnkrok addition, is playing better 7 game hockey than any of the teams you mentioned. We're roughly even with Colorado. Team and line chemistry is a thing too. You can see how important it is to this club; treliving went out of his way to add two guys without touching the room mix at all!

You have the video game mentality. The players aren't numbers. Putting in a "better" player into a specific roster spot (Role, as sutter refers to them) isn't going to automatically yield specific or even predictable results. What we have now is relatively predictable, and when you add without subtracting then you can be largely sure the predictability will remain.

Remove Monahan and you might have a disgruntled Gaudreau, unmotivated gaudreau leads to less offensive creativeness, less o zone creativeness leads to a decline in production from other big players, decline in production leads to lessened confidence... etc.

[GioforPM]

I don’t imagine Gaudreau would be thrown into disarray by trading Monahan. He’s on too big of a roll. That said, I just don’t see many moves around him prior to the TDL that are clearly going to improve the team and also work with the cap. Treliving haas also spent a lot of draft capital now, and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to do that for rentals. Toffoli wasn’t a rental and had connections to the team. Jarnkrok is expiring but I think there’s a decent expectation he would extend.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t imagine Gaudreau would be thrown into disarray by trading Monahan. He’s on too big of a roll. That said, I just don’t see many moves around him prior to the TDL that are clearly going to improve the team and also work with the cap. Treliving haas also spent a lot of draft capital now, and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to do that for rentals. Toffoli wasn’t a rental and had connections to the team. Jarnkrok is expiring but I think there’s a decent expectation he would extend.

Gaudreau isn't the only one who Monahan is tight with on the team though. They're real people is all I am saying. Yes this is a business, but sometimes you don't mess with the mix you have.

[Poe969]

He won't be traded at the deadline but I think he's gone in the summer. Dream scenario: Flames win the cup and Monahan shows flashes of what he was then there's a bidding war for his services!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Gaudreau isn't the only one who Monahan is tight with on the team though. They're real people is all I am saying. Yes this is a business, but sometimes you don't mess with the mix you have.

Oh, I agree, and I also agree that this isn’t NHL 22. Gaudreau was specifically mentioned is all. The mix is huge and it’s clear Treliving is conscious of that even with the incoming guys. Toffoli and Jarnkrok are almost seamless additions.

[Toonage]

Hang on a sec, is the Montreal GM....driving up the price of Brett f'n Kulak?!?

This is like how Friedman said the Chiarot deal could boost the value of Luke Schenn.

Strange things afoot at the Circle K

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1504472191772999683

Ha ha ha nope, sorry Frank.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest - Gio deserves some media love and attention

Also it must be pretty cool to dawn that sweater having grown up in southern Ontario.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1504472191772999683

Ha ha ha nope, sorry Frank.

This looks like a clip from a alumni game… holy cow.

He looks a 60 year old who just shovelled a driveway full of heart attack snow.

[Shazam]

Clearly everybody wants to play for the Flames. Giroux for Monahan, Philly retains 50% salary.

Also apparently Lindholm knows or is related to every Swede in the NHL, so Forsberg to Calgary for Lucic.

[redmile04]

Assuming no more trades, and based on current roster

What is the order of callups come playoff run time?
Forwards
1 Ruzicka
2 Pelletier
3 Phillips
4 Gawdin
5 Duehr
6 Zary

D:
1 Valimaki
2 Mackey
3 Kinnvall?

Was thinking about 04 and using Brennan Evans LOL that promoted me to ask this question.

Obviously depends on what type of player is out but general list, what do you guys think?

also Evans is 40 now #feelingold