[Poll Request] Monahan Off-Season Trade Value (or negative value)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think there is any chance the Flames give up a first to move one year of Monahan.

Maybe Monahan and a first for an asset the Flames actually want

Never said that the Flames would actually give up a 1st, but it's potentially what it would cost them.

[Eric Vail]

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Monahan is staying.

*unfortunately

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.s.

Vladar's cap hit is less than Wolf's isn't it? He's providing insane value for his deal.

[CroFlames]

There will be GMs next year willing to bet on him. He has the pedigree, and we've seen it many times where a guy absolutely flourishes with a change of scenery.

The return will be decent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

Marleau was also 39 years old - it was a dumb contract to start. And Carolina traded solely to buy him out because Toronto couldn't afford to do it. They got no player at all out of it. Marleau ended up signing for league minimum.

I think a team will take a flyer on a retained 27 year old Monahan for only one year at $3.2M. It's not a huge risk.

[Firebot]

He's a -15 on a team with a 61 goal differential. Gaudreau his part partner is a +43

He's not even a mediocre 4th line centre right now.

To put it in perspective, Brett Richie, who has 0 points (how is that even possible???) in 29 games, is only a -6 compared to Monahan.

Jankowski, the ever enigmatic past flame who just got waived, was a +2 on a really bad Sabres team.

He costs us goals and games. Anyone who thinks Monahan has any sort of value to other teams at his salary is dreaming.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

Yes and Rasmus Ristolainen was traded for a depth defensemen, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick while having a 5.4M dollar cap hit after an 18 point season where he had some of the worst analytics/metrics in the NHL. The season prior to that he was terrible as well. I would argue there would be a handful of gm's out there willing to give Monahan another opportunity especially if Calgary were to retain between 1-2M.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Yes and Rasmus Ristolainen was traded for a depth defensemen, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick while having a 5.4M dollar cap hit after an 18 point season where he had some of the worst analytics/metrics in the NHL. The season prior to that he was terrible as well. I would argue there would be a handful of gm's out there willing to give Monahan another opportunity especially if Calgary were to retain between 1-2M.

We might've gotten value for Monahan lats summer, we won't this year. He's a really bad player on a real good team. Even Sutter, a master of finding roles, can't make this guy work.

[FanIn80]

I still want to see him centering Mangiapane and Toffoli for an extended period of time (read: more than one shift). I think Monny's number one skill is his ability to play with skilled players. He may not be able to drive a line by himself, but knowing how to read a play and react to skilled players is a valuable skill in and of itself. I saw glimpses of chemistry between him and Toffoli, but it needs to be a full line with Mangiapane.

People can say what they want, but I absolutely refuse to use his play along side Lucic/Ritchie/Dube/Lewis as any kind of measuring stick. How many times have we seen him go to where the play should have gone, only for the play to have gone in a completely different direction because his winger has no idea what's going on?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He's a -15 on a team with a 61 goal differential. Gaudreau his part partner is a +43

He's not even a mediocre 4th line centre right now.

To put it in perspective, Brett Richie, who has 0 points (how is that even possible???) in 29 games, is only a -6 compared to Monahan.

Jankowski, the ever enigmatic past flame who just got waived, was a +2 on a really bad Sabres team.

He costs us goals and games. Anyone who thinks Monahan has any sort of value to other teams at his salary is dreaming.

I've seen one goal he cost - against the Caps. What are the others?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've seen one goal he cost - against the Caps. What are the others?

The other 15 goals that made up his -15?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I still want to see him centering Mangiapane and Toffoli for an extended period of time (read: more than one shift). I think Monny's number one skill is his ability to play with skilled players. He may not be able to drive a line by himself, but knowing how to read a play and react to skilled players is a valuable skill in and of itself. I saw glimpses of chemistry between him and Toffoli, but it needs to be a full line with Mangiapane.

People can say what they want, but I absolutely refuse to use his play along side Lucic/Ritchie/Dube/Lewis as any kind of measuring stick. How many times have we seen him go to where the play should have gone, only for the play to have gone in a completely different direction because his winger has no idea what's going on?

How did things go for Monahan when playing with Johnny in 2021? A bit better than now sure, but anyone would benefit from playing with Johnny.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The other 15 goals that made up his -15?

Worst answer ever. What was he doing on those goals? Can you name them?

Same Caps game Lucic handed the puck to a Cap who scored. That's a minus for Monahan. I guess he's responsible for that one?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

because the options don't have anything to say about cap ( the primary reason to move Monahan) I am not going to participate.

I don't understand? Any deal will certainly have cap implications...not sure how you'd quantify them in a poll?

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

As a 35+ contract with full NMC, there were basically no other options with Marleau. Buyout = full 6.25M cap hit. $3.416m cash ($3M signing bonus). Since his signing bonus was guaranteed, he had no reason to waive his NMC for anything other than a buyout.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

How did things go for Monahan when playing with Johnny in 2021? A bit better than now sure, but anyone would benefit from playing with Johnny.

You mean just before his hip surgery? Better question: how did it go for him when he was healthy playing with Johnny?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The other 15 goals that made up his -15?

Or... he dishes to his winger in the o-zone and then drives the net looking for either a give and go or a rebound, deflection, etc... except Ritchie/Lewis instead just put it in deep along the boards, but Monny's in front of the net - not behind it - so now it's a turnover leading into an odd-man rush and all people see is Monahan caught playing to his weaknesses like having to skate really fast to balance out a 2 on 1...

I mean... he's on the ice so he gets a minus, but there's "getting a minus" and then there's "being the reason for the minus."

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You mean just before his hip surgery? Better question: how did it go for him when he was healthy playing with Johnny?

In the year before that, in '19-'20, he had the worst GF% and xGF% among forwards on the Flames.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

You are completely forgetting that Marleau was not going to play for the Hurricanes so they had to buy him out. They bought the 1st round pick by sacrificing 6.25M of dead cap for 1 year. Monahan would conceivably play a role on whatever team acquired him. Very different circumstance

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Or... he dishes to his winger in the o-zone and then drives the net looking for either a give and go or a rebound, deflection, etc... except Ritchie/Lewis instead just put it in deep along the boards, but Monny's in front of the net - not behind it - so now it's a turnover leading into an odd-man rush and all people see is Monahan caught playing to his weaknesses like having to skate really fast to balance out a 2 on 1...

I mean... he's on the ice so he gets a minus, but there's "getting a minus" and then there's "being the reason for the minus."

I'm not about to break it down, don't have the time or the desire, but on a team with a high amount of plus players I doubt Monahan is just insanely unlucky and stuck on the ice.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Patrick Marleau scored 37 point in 2018-29. He had one more year remaining in his contract at $6.25 million. The Leafs traded a first and a seventh, receiving a sixth rounder back to get Carolina to take him away and buy him out.

Monahan has 22 points this far and is paid $6.375 with a year to go. Sounds similar.

Lucic has 18 points and has a year at $6 million remaining. He only has $1 million in base salary after his $3 million signing bonus is paid. A team that is well under the cap could then add a productive player for $1 million, which could be done.

Moving these two will be key to signing our leaders. I wonder if Vladar would be part of a deal to make something happen. Wolf could be brought up.

Arizona took Anton Stralman off Florida's pick for a second round pick and a prospect taken in the second round of 2019. He makes $5.5 million.

It is going to cost the Flames to get rid of those two contracts.

Monahan's age is a big factor...Sam Bennett was also a bum on Calgary's 3rd and 4th lines. Not to say he is the same but some team might think there is more there.

The Flames won't be paying a first or even a 2nd just to get rid of him alone, he is more likely lumped into a bigger trade IMO. Other teams incentive will be to get the deal done. For a team not worried about the cap for next season he is a good pro.