2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Tkachukwagon]

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[TheIronMaiden]

Center depth is the biggest need.
If the Flames want a pure rental
Copp and Hertl are the most likely candidates given the Giroux rumors.

[Geeoff]

I think moving Monahan for a centre more suited to the bottom 6 and a PK role makes a lot of sense

unless there's someone out there we can fleece that still views Monahan as a potential 30G scorer

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Center depth is the biggest need.
If the Flames want a pure rental
Copp and Hertl are the most likely candidates given the Giroux rumors.

Hertl is not on the market by all accounts

I think it is more like Stastny, Jarnkrok and agree on Copp

[the_only_turek_fan]

This team is perfect the way it is. Just leave it alone FFS.

[Knut]

Deal with Monahan in the offseason. He is Assistant Captain and well liked by everyone ont he team. Removing him could disrupt things.

Add a more Defensive Center and a depth Dman. Thats it.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Knut

Deal with Monahan in the offseason. He is Assistant Captain and well liked by everyone ont he team. Removing him could disrupt things.

Add a more Defensive Center and a depth Dman. Thats it.

Nah the roster works like NHL 22, you just need to plug the right playstyles in beside each other. Doesn't matter who the actual players are. They are automatons.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I think everyone needs to be careful of not over reacting to a potential Monahan move in season. The concerns make sense - and of course everyone is likely doubling down the day after Warrener talked about how the Ference / Kobasew move wasn't the greatest years ago from a chemistry perspective.

No doubt it's a legit risk, but we also have to look at the fact that Monahan isn't playing an impact role on this team right now(on ice). Hopefully if any move is considered, the GM has the right pulse on the impact to the room.

People also have to factor in, if a move isn't made right now involving Monahan (which I'm sure is still the most likely scenario) and we don't win a cup this year (also the most likely scenario, even if we have a deep run) people are going to forget these fears of disrupting the chemistry very quickly. If BT runs out of runway in the offseason to make the required moves to either make room for our key re-signings, or to backfill for them with other trades because Mony's contract is still on the books, no one is going to be giving BT a pass because he didn't want to disrupt the chemistry.

I don't think a Mony move is going to be possible before deadline, but if BT has a chance to upgrade the roster on paper, and help set up our offseason more optimistically, how can he not at least consider it? The folks with the team will know more than we will on what removing him would do to chemistry, hopefully they have the right read.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think everyone needs to be careful of not over reacting to a potential Monahan move in season. The concerns make sense - and of course everyone is likely doubling down the day after Warrener talked about how the Ference / Kobasew move wasn't the greatest years ago from a chemistry perspective.

No doubt it's a legit risk, but we also have to look at the fact that Monahan isn't playing an impact role on this team right now(on ice). Hopefully if any move is considered, the GM has the right pulse on the impact to the room.

People also have to factor in, if a move isn't made right now involving Monahan (which I'm sure is still the most likely scenario) and we don't win a cup this year (also the most likely scenario, even if we have a deep run) people are going to forget these fears of disrupting the chemistry very quickly. If BT runs out of runway in the offseason to make the required moves to either make room for our key re-signings, or to backfill for them with other trades because Mony's contract is still on the books, no one is going to be giving BT a pass because he didn't want to disrupt the chemistry.

I don't think a Mony move is going to be possible before deadline, but if BT has a chance to upgrade the roster on paper, and help set up our offseason more optimistically, how can he not at least consider it? The folks with the team will know more than we will on what removing him would do to chemistry, hopefully they have the right read.

I'm pretty sure Treliving won't pass on a really good trade for Monahan because of chemistry. I expect that if it's marginal or only a chance that the trade improves the team it's not a move he will make unless it also makes sense for next year's cap.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm pretty sure Treliving won't pass on a really good trade for Monahan because of chemistry. I expect that if it's marginal or only a chance that the trade improves the team it's not a move he will make unless it also makes sense for next year's cap.

I mean, a trade for Mony at this point won't on it's own improve the team I'm guessing. But my guess is making a move (if there's one to make) will open up the door do complete what the team wants in terms of adds before this season, and maybe minorly upgrade the forwards over having Mony.

Itwould probably create room for a better offseason. And that will be the rub for everyone if a move is made. It won't be an obvious slam dunk - so the "wreck the chemistry" narrative will likely get over played unless this team wins a round. At that point it would probably be forgotten.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I mean, a trade for Mony at this point won't on it's own improve the team I'm guessing. But my guess is making a move (if there's one to make) will open up the door do complete what the team wants in terms of adds before this season, and maybe minorly upgrade the forwards over having Mony.

Itwould probably create room for a better offseason. And that will be the rub for everyone if a move is made. It won't be an obvious slam dunk - so the "wreck the chemistry" narrative will likely get over played unless this team wins a round. At that point it would probably be forgotten.

I don't see too many trades that work anyway. I think Monahan is dealt off season and maybe bought out if nothing else works.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Insane overpay

The cost to get rid of Monahan will be at least a 2nd

Schmaltz is a #2 C. What do they cost on the trade market? A 1st plus.

That’s why moving Monahan as part of a deadline deal doesn’t make a lot of sense - you’re paying twice.

[TheIronMaiden]

The only way trading Monahan during the season makes sense is if
a) he can bring back a player of equal value in a way that helps the cap long term
b) the Flames need to make cap space for a player who is coming march 21st.

I think that option (a) is a long shot, and if a move does happen it will be option (b). A purely cap related move will wait until the off season.

[getbak]

No trade necessary. Free Centre available...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503793830180573188

[Pickle Juice]

I wonder if Money would waive to go to Arizona? Jakob Chychrun would be a nice addition.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by getbak

No trade necessary. Free Centre available...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503793830180573188

Another no-contact centre who doesn't battle hard enough despite physical gifts! Sign me up!

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by getbak

No trade necessary. Free Centre available...

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[Tkachukwagon]

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The cost to get rid of Monahan will be at least a 2nd

Schmaltz is a #2 C. What do they cost on the trade market? A 1st plus.

That’s why moving Monahan as part of a deadline deal doesn’t make a lot of sense - you’re paying twice.

You have no idea the cost to get rid of Monahan.

Schmatlz is having a nice season after a couple of ridiculous games he is ppg this year. He has never played a full season and career high is 52pts.

Monahan + a guy just drafted 13th overall and a 1st in a deep draft is a ridiculously insane overpay.

We will see what happens if and when Monahan is dealt but I think you are way off.

Serivali today commented that teams look at Monahan as possibly a fresh start but low candidate. You treat him like a toxic unmovable contract that has 3+ years left on it

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Do you think the flames have toiled with the idea of moving Tkachuk in the off season? Kyrou + 1st + good prospect?
Gaudreau Lindholm Toffoli
Mangiapane. ???? Kyrou
Coleman Backlund Lewis

Go hard after another good center.
Probably a long shot, but if Tkachuk’s long term contract demands are to high, I could see something like this going down.

Tkachuk for Kyrou is the new Johnny for Konecny. Except Kyrou looks even better on an even cheaper contract.

Tkachuk is certainly the better player now, but contract considerations bring trade value close to even. STL could extend Kyrou on July 1 - probably something like 8x7.5M or 3x6M, or they wait to see how he does next season and the price could go up or down. But next year at 2.8M is huge value.

Would they prefer Tkachuk at 8x9.5M instead? Kyrou is less certain, but that brings his AAV down.