Russia invades Ukraine

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

She also pre-recorded a message: https://t.me/vottaktv/13497

Translation:

https://meduza.io/en/short/2022/03/1...ti-war-message

Her name is Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor and producer with the broadcaster... It's an incredibly brave act - Channel One is the biggest network in Russia and typically the viewership for the primetime news would undoubtedly be in the 10s of millions

I've thought often of Orwell since the election of Trump and what's happening in Russia is what an unchecked Fox News and GOP will be in 10-20 years.

I've been thinking about that quote that the Chernobyl miniseries opened with...

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories?"

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by blender

Quoted for truth.

Its amazing to me how many people are completely brainwashed by our corporate overlords.

Modern neo-liberal economic policy (globalization, or whatever you want to call it) is design by mega-rich corporations to make their companies more and more profitable, and to eliminate barriers to the movement of capital. If you have mutual funds it has been good for you, and that's fine, but don't kid yourself about what's going on. This is not about making the world a better place. It's about access to markets, plain and simple.

Let's keep this thread to Russia Vs Ukraine as much as possible.

I didn't come here to listen to some internet soap box (as I type that, I realize that's what an online forum is....dammit)

[blender]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Let's keep this thread to Russia Vs Ukraine as much as possible.

I didn't come here to listen to some internet soap box (as I type that, I realize that's what an online forum is....dammit)

Was just responding to the topic at hand, but fair enough.

[Geraldsh]

She has already been arrested faces up to 15 years incarceration.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

She has already been arrested faces up to 15 years incarceration.

I’m surprised that she is alive. If she is.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Wow, incredibly brave of her.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

She has already been arrested faces up to 15 years incarceration.

Russia is ####ed. One atep below North Korea.

Ixnay that, they are North Korea and every Russian should be ashamed.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Wow, incredibly brave of her.

The *brave Russians should be celebrated with the brave Ukrainians. Hopefully one day soon she is free and celebrated.

[Manhattanboy]

She’s finished. Sadly I doubt she’s ever heard from again.

[FlamesAddiction]

I went down a rabbit hole, but couldn't help think that the information made sense.

In 2012, a member of the United Russia party (Putin's party) suggested that when Ukraine joined an economic union with Russia (it was assumed at the time that they would), that 7 million Ukrainians would be relocated to Siberia to create a demographic barrier against Chinese demographic encroachment, and that the population in Ukraine would be replaced with ethnic Russians to further Rusify the country.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2012/12/24/6980376/ (translate to English using Google)

In 2014 and again in 2016, Russia (allegedly) forced Ukrainians from Crimea and occupied areas to relocate to Siberia.

https://khpg.org/en/1410700305

https://tass.com/economy/856936?utm_...rer=google.com

When you look at the magnitude of destruction in civilian areas, it can be considered that the purpose of making Ukrainian cities unlivable, would be to forcibly relocate them to Siberia as per the 2012 proposal. Give them nothing to return to and somewhere else to go (whether they want to take the offer or not). After the proposed customs union failed, this was the next step their ethno-engineering plan.

I don't know the reputation of all the sources (Ukrainian and Russian), but it isn't like Russia hasn't had a history of doing this.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

She’s finished. Sadly I doubt she’s ever heard from again.

I hope you're wrong but yeah, this feels like a modern day equivalent of standing in front of a tank in Tiennamen Square.

[FlameOn]

MOD map updates for the day. Russia's Eastern MD Group has made some small advances south as part of Russia's larger objective to encircle Kyiv and Western MD grouping advance is eroding the Ukrainian encircled area of control around Nizhyn. In the south, the Southern MD and airborne groupings have consolidated control around Mykolaiv, while advancing eastward to link up with the push from Luhansk, which made it further into Ukraine today. Other areas remain static.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503715761587732484

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503613213006565377

Larger map

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_R...ion_of_Ukraine

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ixnay that, they are North Korea and every Russian should be ashamed.

They aren't North Korea, and the very fact that someone actually did this in the first place demonstrates that. In North Korea, no one would try a stunt like that. There is real public unrest in Russia, actual protests and many others who are too scared to protest but actively oppose the current actions of the government, and what the public thinks and does in Russia actually matters. There's a legitimate possibility that Putin is overthrown by his own people in some fashion or other - in North Korea that threat does not exist.

[CroFlames]

If anyone has experience overthrowing governments, it's the Russians.

Godspeed I say to the population. Save your McDonald's franchises.

[CaptainCrunch]

Great speech today. Basic message, thanks for what you've done, but we need more, we need a no fly zone to stop the bombing. Sanctions aren't enough.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Great speech today. Basic message, thanks for what you've done, but we need more, we need a no fly zone to stop the bombing. Sanctions aren't enough.

I saw a bit last night with General Mackenzie & General Hillier, both were calling for no fly zones. I think it was Mackenzie that said NATO should call Putin's bluff. I am inclined to agree.

[CroFlames]

From how I understood it, if they declare a no fly zone, then NATO would actively be engaging anything in the air over Ukraine. Which means a direct NATO attack on Russians.

That would lead down a path there is no coming back from I think.

Is there precedent during the cold war?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

From how I understood it, if they declare a no fly zone, then NATO would actively be engaging anything in the air over Ukraine. Which means a direct NATO attack on Russians.

That would lead down a path there is no coming back from I think.

Is there precedent during the cold war?

More then that is that a nofly zone would use bases in NATO countries which invites strikes against them by Russia, that would certainly escalate things in a hurry.

[kn]

My Siberian mother-in-law, is now convinced that the West started the war in Ukraine, that Putin had no choice but to go in and defend Russians, and that her daughter is going to be abused by Canadians. She even said we should have left our two year old daughter in Russia!

Propaganda is a powerful thing... I’m not even going to try and present an alternative theory of events.


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[KootenayFlamesFan]

Well she's still alive and was in court today. I saw some tweets saying all she got was a fine, which seems unbelievable, but I guess I'll wait for more reliable sources to confirm.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1503736887093219331