2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[howard_the_duck]

Interesting that the Ducks are looking to add.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Interesting that the Ducks are looking to add.

The Ducks have been underwhelmed with Comtois this year. I could see something around the two of them switching sides.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The Ducks have been underwhelmed with Comtois this year. I could see something around the two of them switching sides.

Comme ci, Comtois.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DylanScores

I hope that we never trade or off load Monahan. He is your great example of a Pros Pro. When Tre talks about character, Monahan is the epitome of that word! Like some people say here, he’s well liked in and out off the rink. I know it’s asset management thing that we have to do, but part of it is he’s an asset for this team whether we like it or not! He might not be showing up on the scoreboard lately, but he gave us lots the past few years. We have never heard him complain and played through significant injuries in that past! For me , he is a true warrior willing to get hit day in and day out for the team and that’s good enough for me!

Not moving Monahan this off season means you are losing one of Tkachuk, Gaudreau, or Mangiapane. He may be a great guy and a good pro but he has to go.

[dammage79]

Still think the Flames are losing one of the wingers gers regardless of Monahans future with the team. You still have to find a center upgrade over Monny and Backs regardless.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Still think the Flames are losing one of the wingers gers regardless of Monahans future with the team. You still have to find a center upgrade over Monny and Backs regardless.

They won't upgrade on either. They'll likely bring in guys on an ELC or league minimum guys. It sucks but that's the really of a cap world.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

They could get the same or better return in 2-3 years. It’s nonsensical to trade him.

The term at that AAV is a massive part of his value. There is also the risk of injury/downturn.

Perhaps most importantly though is the timeline of the assets acquired. ARI already has 7 picks in the first 2 rounds this year, but could load up on more '23 and '24 picks. if they wait a couple more years to deal the '25 and '26 picks would take longer to mature.

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The Ducks have been underwhelmed with Comtois this year. I could see something around the two of them switching sides.

A 3-way type deal could make some sense with ANA and Chychrun as a Lindholm replacement.

Sell Lindholm, and use the return as part of the package for Chychrun.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Still think the Flames are losing one of the wingers gers regardless of Monahans future with the team. You still have to find a center upgrade over Monny and Backs regardless.

If we trade Monahan with no cap coming back (that's a big if), the team can pretty much be kept together. Only major losses would be Monahan and Zadorov.

A center upgrade would be a luxury at this point, and to be quite honest, I don't think we really need for next year. With Ruzicka replacing Monahan's production and having a cheap UFA playing 4C, we are essentially not losing any production from our centers.

[Wish They Could Win]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

If we trade Monahan with no cap coming back (that's a big if), the team can pretty much be kept together. Only major losses would be Monahan and Zadorov.

A center upgrade would be a luxury at this point, and to be quite honest, I don't think we really need for next year. With Ruzicka replacing Monahan's production and having a cheap UFA playing 4C, we are essentially not losing any production from our centers.

I think that you really need a 2C to push Backlund down to 3C. Maybe Ruzicka can be that, maybe not. I would like to see them bring someone in now to fill that gap though and then you can decide what to do in the off season.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

If we trade Monahan with no cap coming back (that's a big if), the team can pretty much be kept together. Only major losses would be Monahan and Zadorov.

A center upgrade would be a luxury at this point, and to be quite honest, I don't think we really need for next year. With Ruzicka replacing Monahan's production and having a cheap UFA playing 4C, we are essentially not losing any production from our centers.

If it doesn’t work this year doubtful it works next unless you upgrade at the deadline.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

- Kylington is our top scoring dman and one of the best in the league. the team relies on his vision and creation on the back end, and again skating.

Kylington has had a fantastic season compared to expectations for him and looks like a legit top four, but let’s pump the brakes on “one of the best in the league” talk. I hope he gets there but he’s not there yet. Best at falling, sure (but he’s got competition on his own team for that distinction) or best at using his speed to scramble back into position, but not best in the NHL.

[Caboose]

I've got a trade idea I've been ruminating about, and I'm interested to see what other people think!

To Calgary: Christian Fischer

To Arizona: Sean Monahan (no salary retained), 2023 2nd round pick OR B prospect


Why does Calgary do this?
Firstly, cap space for this summer. Fischer makes $1M and he's an RFA after this season. Cheap to re-sign if it looks like he'll fit here. That's around $5.3M in savings right there!
Secondly, they would get a cheap RFA reclamation project in Fischer who has a decent draft pedigree, a solid rookie season, and then a quick decline into being a bottom 6 center in Arizona.
Think of it as a Bennett-lite situation: would Fischer, on a better team with better linemates and a more defined role, come back to his rookie form? Surely a lot of his issues in Arizona would stem from quality of linemates and just.....Arizona. Low risk, low cost young center who is 6'2" and 215 lbs. It's worth a shot!

Why does Arizona do this?
They love assets, baby! Sure, Fischer is a functional bottom 6 center for them, but if they can turn that into a 2nd round pick in 2023, surely they'd think about it. They have TONS of picks this year, but next year are mostly left with their own.
Monahan brings a big salary, but also has the potential for a rebound, and therefore, more assets! This is a potentially profitable gamble for a team with lots of cap space: if Monahan can bounce back to some degree next season, suddenly he's a big rental center with goal scoring ability on an expiring contract. Perfect trade deadline bait!

Why it won't work:
1) Monahan is quite expensive, and Arizona might not want to pay any more real dollars than they have to.
2) Flames don't see enough value in Fischer. I have not watched him play, I am PURELY relying on counting stats. Maybe he's soft, maybe he had big injuries, I have no idea. I'm sure other posters could weigh in here!
3) Value is off one way or the other. This was just a guess on my part on what absorbing Monahan's contract might be worth. There's a lot of 'ifs' that would go into this sort of negotiation, I'm sure.

I'm down for discussion and some constructive criticism! The main problem I see with a lot of Flames potential trades right now is obviously cap problems and the summer of re-signings. This trade covers a team that has tons of space to absorb Monahan, and a return that could be beneficial for the Flames, but includes risk for both sides.

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[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Wish They Could Win

I think that you really need a 2C to push Backlund down to 3C. Maybe Ruzicka can be that, maybe not. I would like to see them bring someone in now to fill that gap though and then you can decide what to do in the off season.

I agree, however, our main goal right now is to sign Gaudreau, Mangiapane and Tkachuk. Full Stop. Getting that done this summer leaves us no room to do anything else.
We've been operating with Lindholm/Backlund/Monahan/Ruzuicka this year and we've done quite well, so I'm not too worried about upgrading a 2C right away. That's something we can do next summer once Lucic comes off the books. In the mean time, Tre's one and only goal is to get those 3 wingers signed ASAP. All other roster decisions are basically secondary at this point.

[Wish They Could Win]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I agree, however, our main goal right now is to sign Gaudreau, Mangiapane and Tkachuk. Full Stop. Getting that done this summer leaves us no room to do anything else.
We've been operating with Lindholm/Backlund/Monahan/Ruzuicka this year and we've done quite well, so I'm not too worried about upgrading a 2C right away. That's something we can do next summer once Lucic comes off the books. In the mean time, Tre's one and only goal is to get those 3 wingers signed ASAP. All other roster decisions are basically secondary at this point.

I was meaning that you trade for an expiring contract. Then depending on fit and other moves that are made, you could potentially keep them. If Ruzicka can step up into that role then you part ways. While our current centers have been good enough, we are one injury away from a very weak group.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Caboose

I've got a trade idea I've been ruminating about, and I'm interested to see what other people think!

To Calgary: Christian Fischer

To Arizona: Sean Monahan (no salary retained), 2023 2nd round pick OR B prospect

Is Fischer (10 pts in 49 games) any better than Ruzicka (9 pts in 22 games)? And Ruzicka is 2 years younger

[Caboose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is Fischer (10 pts in 49 games) any better than Ruzicka (9 pts in 22 games)? And Ruzicka is 2 years younger

Probably not right now, but that's not the point. I'm really happy with Ruzicka so far and have no problem with him being a "3C" on this team. Fischer can fill in whatever spot Monahan leaves.

The point is cap space for this summer without a buyout and a gamble on a player that could potentially improve on a new (infinitely better) team.

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[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Caboose

I've got a trade idea I've been ruminating about, and I'm interested to see what other people think!

To Calgary: Christian Fischer

To Arizona: Sean Monahan (no salary retained), 2023 2nd round pick OR B prospect

Does that make Calgary better this year for a long playoff run? Cap concerns about Monahan are secondary if shipping him out makes the team worse.

[Caboose]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Does that make Calgary better this year for a long playoff run? Cap concerns about Monahan are secondary if shipping him out makes the team worse.

That's definitely a good question. Maybe the Flames have a way better plan to deal with the cap in the off-season. In that case, I'd think Monahan is probably quite a bit better than Fischer right now.

Also, I've been a big fan of Monahan as long as he's played for this team. I dearly wish he was back to his former self and was hoping for a big bounce back this season. Unfortunately, I have a hard time seeing other areas the Flames could make significant salary headway besides Monahan. I'd love for him to stay and suddenly be the ideal 2C, but the Flames might not have time or cap room to wait for that.

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[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I can't justify adding Gio at all. It would require signficant cap out, likely at forward where we can't really afford to be any thinner. I can't see him positively replacing any of the current LD on any pair:
- Hanifin has been a better two way player than Gio this year, his skating alone puts him above
- Kylington is our top scoring dman and one of the best in the league. the team relies on his vision and creation on the back end, and again skating.
- Zadorov is not as good as gio but brings a huge size, hitting, and intimidation element every night that gio only scratched on occasion.

It's not happening, it shouldn't happen. Sorry Gio, great guy, good member of the flames forever, but it's in the past now.

Kylington is 3rd on the team in defensive scoring 10 points behind Andersson.

[CFO]

Flames need to move Monahan to a fringe team. Retain $2mm. It's cheap for new team who can retain more at deadline next year and flip for more.