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Old 03-04-2022, 08:05 AM   #2801
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In a way it’s kinda fascinating to watch modern fascism unfold. It’s different than 20th century fascism but certainly some of the tell tale signs are there.
Hitler and Mussolini could only wish they had some of the levers of control that modern China and Russia do. The modern version seems incredibly stable, which is terrifying.

If Putin makes it through this colossal blunder holding onto power, I'll be more sure than ever that any slide toward this modern version of fascism should be fought tooth and nail.
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Old 03-04-2022, 08:07 AM   #2802
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The US is sharing intercepted Russian communication practically in real-time.

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Old 03-04-2022, 08:14 AM   #2804
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Good little blurb about an improvised weapon in this conflict.

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Or Israel's occupation of Palestine, except we're cool with that.



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This is just incorrect...

The other wars were all very different in one key aspect, they were the aggressor. Isreal was not the aggressor, Palestine and their allies attacked Isreal and lost badly, and lost territory due to their stupid (xenophobic) war.

This war would only be the same if Russia attacked Ukraine, and Ukraine promptly took back Crimea then took North Caucasian and Southern Russia. Then they made peace and say well these are mine now.

Edit: oh they'd need to take a small piece of Belarus as well.


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Good little blurb about an improvised weapon in this conflict.

The typical Ukrainian molotov now has styrofoam. Easy to handle, cheap and available everywhere, it's good for making the burning mass stick, burn with thick smoke, and leave a black coating on the surface which helps make optics unusable even after the fire has gone out.
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Old 03-04-2022, 08:58 AM   #2807
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The US is sharing intercepted Russian communication practically in real-time.
someone a few days ago posted about a US Senator complaining that there were too many layers in the process, delaying the intel far too long.

So which is it?
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:01 AM   #2808
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:05 AM   #2809
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Ukrainians captured another Pantsir, the Russians stabbed the fuel tank and fled. Russia only has 100 of these in their entire inventory and we've seen two scuttled in the last few days.
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Ukrainians captured another Pantsir, the Russians stabbed the fuel tank and fled. Russia only has 100 of these in their entire inventory and we've seen two scuttled in the last few days.
only 100 of all series of this type, or 100 of the latest series.

so if they captured one, I'm assuming the Russians left with the missiles.
If I read correctly wouldn't this unit have support vehicles, one of which carries the munitions?

learning on the fly here. I know little about the military, and even less about Russia.
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:23 AM   #2811
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This is where it is annoying that the west hasn't put massive amounts of air assets into Europe as an implied instant threat, I would much rather be calling up the Kremlin and having the 'hey why are you forcing us to get involved with our in place air assets that will utterly destroy you in about 10 minutes? get your troops away from that Power station' rather than 'well maybe in a couple of weeks if you carry on being nasty'
The US had 2 B52s running a small pattern over Romania this morning, not to mention the at least 3 air refueling tankers that have been over Poland et al since the beginning of this.

I have no doubt the West's air assets are well known to Russia, and those are just the ones they want them to see.
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:33 AM   #2812
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Ukrainians captured another Pantsir, the Russians stabbed the fuel tank and fled. Russia only has 100 of these in their entire inventory and we've seen two scuttled in the last few days.
These vehicles are in rough shape (look at the wheels). They haven't seen a mechanic in 30 years
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:36 AM   #2813
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Airlines are locking up in Russia soon apparently:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2022-03-04/

This may start to affect a lot of people
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:39 AM   #2814
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Russia is not important to China. Russia is a country of 140 million people with a mediocre economy.

China has far larger customers in America, the EU, South America, Africa and not to mention their own neighbors in Asia.

If Russia wants to be a recluse, Chinas heart won’t be broken.
You're only looking at it from the sales side though, when you also have to take into consideration the production aspect. Russia may not be important to China as a customer, but they are probably very important to them as a supplier of commodities. Russia is full of oil, gas, aluminum, copper, nickel, wheat, fertilizer etc. and China is a commodity monster that just eats up anything it can get to fuel its own economy. Without access to a stable supply, it too suffers...which is probably why they are abstaining from any sanctions.

Let's face it, Russia shut off from the rest of the world will have repercussions for all of us. Europe will probably be the one to suffer the most, at least in the short/medium term, as they are so reliant on Russian energy and wheat. But it will reverberate in China, and North America, and everywhere else. There was already a commodity crunch BEFORE all this Russia stuff came around...this will just make it worse.

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Airlines are locking up in Russia soon apparently:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ts-2022-03-04/

This may start to affect a lot of people
Probably don't want to have their planes repo'd.
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Dublin-based AerCap — the world's biggest aircraft leasing firm — has the largest fleet in Russia with 152 planes, according to consultancy IBA. The company said it would be pulling all of its contracts with Russian airlines following the sanctions, with the jets estimated to be worth $2.5 billion, consultancy firm ACC Aviation said.




AerCap's Russian clients include Aeroflot, S7 Airlines, Rossiya, Azur Air, and Ural Airlines, according to its website. The lessor is just one of nine Irish aircraft leasing companies with planes in Russia.

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You're only looking at it from the sales side though, when you also have to take into consideration the production aspect. Russia may not important to China as a customer, but they are probably very important to them as a supplier of commodities. Russia is full of oil, gas, aluminum, copper, nickel, wheat, fertilizer etc. and China is a commodity monster that just eats up anything it can get to fuel its own economy. Without access to a stable supply, it too suffers...which is probably why they are abstaining from any sanctions.

Let's face it, Russia shut off from the rest of the world will have repercussions for all of us. Europe will probably be the one to suffer the most, at least in the short/medium term, as they are so reliant on Russian energy and wheat. But it will reverberate in China, and North America, and everywhere else. There was already a commodity crunch BEFORE all this Russia stuff came around...this will just make it worse.
I'd argue the developing world and lower-middle income countries will suffer even more. Even if they don't source things like fuel and wheat from Russia/Ukraine directly, rising commodity/food prices are going to put a pretty severe strain on poorer nations.
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Management at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Enerhodar is now working at gunpoint, the company that runs the station said.

Petro Kotin, the head of the state-owned nuclear power generator Energoatom, said on Telegram that Russian forces "entered the territory of the nuclear power plant, took control of the personnel and management of the nuclear power plant."
Hopefully they don't order them to do a safety test.

Kidding aside I'm certain the nuclear technicians operating the plant wouldn't do anything dangerous even of they're threatened.
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Old 03-04-2022, 09:52 AM   #2818
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Regarding the sanctions - perhaps some smarter people here can help me through this line of thought. How does the punishment play out long term?

Russia is getting severely penalized at the moment and I suppose a number of scenarios can play out to end this war. So let’s fast forward to the end of the war part. When do sanctions lift and how do you go about that part? I mean if it’s not done correctly are we just doomed to another round of generational hate to the west inside Russias borders? Perhaps that is just a given now that outside news seems to be cutoff and the government propaganda machine goes to work.

I don’t think I’m articulating my question/thoughts very well here but perhaps others can jump in to further elaborate on the thought process.
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I'd argue the developing world and lower-middle income countries will suffer even more. Even if they don't source things like fuel and wheat from Russia/Ukraine directly, rising commodity/food prices are going to put a pretty severe strain on poorer nations.
Yes, you bring up a very good point. Prices everywhere will be going up as a result of the increased competition for what's left. In many developing countries, where people can often spend half their income on food, it has the potentially to get very ugly as people get desperate. Rising food/energy costs is partly what leads to unrest like the Arab Spring, or with Kazakhstan not that long ago. I would expect more of the same.
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In a way it’s kinda fascinating to watch modern fascism unfold. It’s different than 20th century fascism but certainly some of the tell tale signs are there.
Imagine now traveling to Russia for any reason and at customs they search your social media stuff. Everyone posting in a thread like this could be in trouble.
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