Russia invades Ukraine

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know they're military vehicles and not supposed to be luxurious or anything, but why do all the Russian vehicles look like they rolled out of a Lada factory in 1978?

Russia is still using a lot of equipment that was designed as early as the 50s. They do have newer equipment, but it sounds like they are deploying a lot of the old stuff first.

[Pointman]

Why Russia could not just buy Crimea from Ukraine. Like USA bought Alaska from Russia. It would be cheaper than this war for everyone.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by agulati

Okay, that is absolute gold.

Edit: wouldn’t even surprise me if it was intentional, to get the talking points across, to justify India abstaining from the UN votes.

Based on a quick look at what's on the Ron Paul Institute's website, if it is a real thing it looks more like a blog, I'd say this is staged Indian and (extreme) right-wing propaganda.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Why Russia could not just buy Crimea from Ukraine. Like USA bought Alaska from Russia. It would be cheaper than this war for everyone.

From my understanding, because they have treaties that forbid Russia from owning it, there was no legal path to ownership internationally. The only way to own it was to occupy it and basically force the world to do something about it.


Edit: When you have nukes possession really is 9/10th of the internal law.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Why Russia could not just buy Crimea from Ukraine. Like USA bought Alaska from Russia. It would be cheaper than this war for everyone.

Russia needs water for Crimea, and that comes from mainland Ukraine.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Based on a quick look at what's on the Ron Paul Institute's website, if it is a real thing it looks more like a blog, I'd say this is staged Indian and (extreme) right-wing propaganda.

Timesnow, the channel that the host works for, definitely does lean to the right.

Some of his tweets.

https://twitter.com/rshivshankar/sta...940413957?s=21

https://twitter.com/rshivshankar/sta...617216517?s=21

https://twitter.com/rshivshankar/sta...282368005?s=21



Definitely an agenda.

Edit: Not the best in embedding tweets. Not sure what I did wrong.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

Russia needs water for Crimea, and that comes from mainland Ukraine.

If Russia buys it peacefully from Ukraine, why would Ukraine block water?

This could be one of possible off-ramps. Russia pays a huge sum to Ukraine and keeps Crimea. This would be technically considered as a sale and thus internationally recognized.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Why Russia could not just buy Crimea from Ukraine. Like USA bought Alaska from Russia. It would be cheaper than this war for everyone.

Besides Krovikan's explanation, Russia has a really messed up public coffer. All of the money is shadily under private control. Ukraine had the same problem that Russia did in that public money did not make it to public care. Ukraine under the current government was moving in the right direction, but I still get the feeling that if Crimea was for sale, the transaction would be two dudes in a back alley somewhere.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Once of the worst case scenario my wife and I are facing as I cannot get a hold of my wife any longer. She texted me today saying she was moving to a new location, as her village was extremely dangerous and they were moving to a cousin's house. I have no idea where it is or how they are getting there. Last I heard from her, she was able to send me a couple normal SMS texts saying she had no internet, and she made it to the new place. She tried calling me and it kept getting cut out and disconnecting. All I could make out was she made it and a message of love. Now I'm unable to make a connection to her by any method.. Have tried various apps, email SMS gateways and still nothing. Not sure if my messages are getting thru and she can't answer, or vice versa.

What a disaster the last week has been, and now this. #### you Putin.

HW, my wife and I are following your posts and this one had us both in tears. We are thinking of you both and hoping and praying for the best. I can’t even imagine what you’re going through right now, but know that you’re a hero to us and we are waiting with baited breath and hoping for good news. Putin is pure evil.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

To that guy who's wife is in no rush to leave Siberia, may want to accelerate that. Especially if airplane parts are no longer sent to Russia, the safety of those planes may become an issue.

That's a very good point. I read another thread that layed out all the ways their airlines are screed. Most of the planes are Boeing and Airbus, and they have pulled Russian access to repair manuals. No spare parts coming. At best, they guessed 3 weeks before total shutdown.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

There are several interesting threads on Twitter about the horrible maintenance of Russian military equipment. They were showing how the tires on a lot of the vehicles were severely sun damaged. No idea how accurate this is, but the guy claimed to be retired military. He was explaining that they are supposed to rotate the vehicles so the same tires don't get continual sun exposure, and park them close together to avoid sun damage. He surmised that some of the tires were exposed to sun for years. Another thread showed Ukranian civilians rummaging through abandoned vehicles and laughing at the food rations because they expired in 2015.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499164245250002944

Edit: sorry, this was a repeat from the previous page

Since not everyone is gonna click the link, I'll point out somethingI thought was interesting. Apparently the climate is drier in Southern Ukraine and near the coast, which means no mud season there. Which helps explain why Russians have advanced more successfully there.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

From my understanding, because they have treaties that forbid Russia from owning it, there was no legal path to ownership internationally. The only way to own it was to occupy it and basically force the world to do something about it.

Do you mean post-annexation treaties, designed to condemn annexation? Well, those could be amended or removed altogether as long, as Ukraine and Russia agree in the price and there's international consensus that the price is fair.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Do you mean post-annexation treaties, designed to confemn annexation? Well, those could be amended or removed altogether as long, as Ukraine and Russia agree in the price and there's international consensus that the price is fair.

Or Russia keeps it's ####ing hands off other countries land and ####s off.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's a very good point. I read another thread that layed out all the ways their airlines are screed. Most of the planes are Boeing and Airbus, and they have pulled Russian access to repair manuals. No spare parts coming. At best, they guessed 3 weeks before total shutdown.

It's still possible to make to Kazakhstan or China by train. But generally I agree, she should hurry up

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Do you mean post-annexation treaties, designed to condemn annexation? Well, those could be amended or removed altogether as long, as Ukraine and Russia agree in the price and there's international consensus that the price is fair.

The Treaty of the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons signed by: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia, USA, and UK.

Makes it illegal for Russia, US, and UK to change the existing borders as of (1994) of Belarus, Kazakhstan, or Ukraine.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Or Russia keeps it's ####ing hands off other countries land and ####s off.

It's not a movie or a video game. Putin is not going to be magically assassinated tomorrow. It's about finding feasible practical solutions that don't hinge on a Superman coming in and saving the world.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's still possible to make to Kazakhstan or China by train. But generally I agree, she should hurry up

What does your own situation look like Pointman, are you staying in Russia and riding out the economic collapse?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

What does the west still have for weapons in this economic counter-siege of Russia?

I fear that Russia has been sanctioned about as hard as they can be and it doesn’t seem to be effecting any changes yet. I expect that the west gets bored, Putin keeps doing what he’s doing, and then either Ukraine falls or NATO intervenes militarily, both of which are really, really bad outcomes. Maybe the sanctions will really take time to kick in and show the desired effect, but I’m not sure how long that wait should be.

I feel like this is a bit of a downer post and of course the present needs to be focused on but unless there’s a clear future goal and a way to get there then efforts can be futile.

It's been less than a week since economic sanctions have been put in place and we are already seeing inner-circle oligarchs calling for peace. Ukraine needs to hold out (there is still plenty of Ukraine left to fight for) and the sanctions will build into a massive problem for the Russian people and leaders alike

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

The Treaty of the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons signed by: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia, USA, and UK.

Makes it illegal for Russia, US, and UK to change the existing borders as of (1994) of Belarus, Kazakhstan, or Ukraine.

Good point. Thank you. I guess those countries will have to amend it.

[Table 5]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499445304696913926

Hopefully legit, and it allows people (like Huntingwhale's wife/family?) a chance to get out under reduced risk.