Russia invades Ukraine

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by kn

This scares the crap out of me. My wife and daughter have a flight out on the 8th. I’ve tried to convince her to leave earlier but she’s convinced everything will be fine. I don’t know if she’s delusional or if I’m unnecessarily panicking.

Most of the earlier flights require a transfer or stay in Moscow and she refuses to go there. The only other alternatives are Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan.

Not looking forward to watching my family through the internet for the next decade...


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Dude, learn from my mistake. Better you argue with her about it and have her hate you for a couple days, but be together sooner than later. This is a very dynamic situation. Don't want to risk it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Frankly, there's at least some question about whether or not NATO would actually respond if, say, Lithuania was attacked as opposed to one of the countries we actually care about, but I think honestly the answer is, if you let them into NATO you have to be prepared to defend them whether they're Romania or Latvia or England. No difference in the required response. So I guess that answers your question about where the red line is.

Yes, if NATO isn’t prepared to defend a member nation, then it’s a paper tiger. So member states take Article 5 very seriously.

But that also plays into who gets let in. NATO is a defensive pact meant to make its members more secure. Ukraine has been pleading for admission for years, but the consensus among NATO members has been sorry, but that would make the alliance more likely to get embroiled in a major war with a nuclear power - make members less secure rather than more. So Ukraine’s requests were denied.

[Azure]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499119611190599686

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499119611190599686

Good, too bad it isn’t higher

[Knut]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499114918661996550

Damn

[Itse]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

All this stuff about NATO actually posing a military threat is Russian propaganda. NATO was not going to start a nuclear war with Russia.

I think we can safely make some assumptions:

1. Putin was not at all worried about NATO. If he was actually afraid of NATO, instigating a war would make no sense.

2. Putin attacked Ukraine to annex it. They've already slipped put propaganda articles to be released after the war how Ukraine happily joins Russia.

3. Annexing Ukraine has been a longterm plan, so really it was more about when was this gonna happen, not if.

So why now?

I don't believe that Ukraine making moves to join EU and NATO were a threat to Russia. I think that's just Putins propaganda. It did however threaten to become a barrier to annexing Ukraine. Gotta do the attack before that happens.

Also, NATO was/is a mess after Trump and Brexit, but Biden was working hard to get NATO and US international alliances in general back into shape. Why take the risk that Biden might succeed.

This was the time.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499131565779169287


I'd like to enter a bid of....$13.79. But someone else is going to have to cover the fuel costs.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Any idea why Ukraine hasn't been able to be offensive and launch rockets into Russia and hit the troops stationed at the border? Taking out vital supplies and equipment?

Obv that would be an escalation and would warrant a response. I am just wondering if it's an equipment and weaponry issue, a tactical issue, an escalation issue or what?

Perhaps Ukraine has been targeting military installations directly in Russia and I am not aware of that.

Thanks

Because if they do that then they’re essentially opening up the floodgates for the Russians to retaliate how they see fit. So escalation.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Any idea why Ukraine hasn't been able to be offensive and launch rockets into Russia and hit the troops stationed at the border? Taking out vital supplies and equipment?

Obv that would be an escalation and would warrant a response. I am just wondering if it's an equipment and weaponry issue, a tactical issue, an escalation issue or what?

Perhaps Ukraine has been targeting military installations directly in Russia and I am not aware of that.

Thanks

Early on there was a report of a rocket attack on a Russian base near Rostov-on-Don and video released of a drone attack of a fuel train supposedly in the Crimea.

Most likely Ukraine doesn't have any long-range weapons capable of striking inside Russian territory left or Russian air defenses are able to stop them.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Because if they do that then they’re essentially opening up the floodgates for the Russians to retaliate how they see fit. So escalation.

I think you couldn't be more wrong.

If Ukraine attacked civilian targets, sure, but fighting back against the troops that have attacked them isn't escalating anything.

I just believe that they're unable to.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499131565779169287


I'd like to enter a bid of....$13.79. But someone else is going to have to cover the fuel costs.

CP group buy?

[PostandIn]

Jerusalem Post reports $1M bounty on Putin by a Russian businessman.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699098

[burn_this_city]

Sell off all the Oligarch plunder and use it to rebuild Ukraine in the future.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Jerusalem Post reports $1M bounty on Putin by a Russian businessman.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699098

It's happening.

Think of Putin and the oligarchs like the mafia. Make him worth more dead than alive and it is only a matter of time until someone in his inner circle takes him out.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Knut

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499114918661996550

Damn

To call Kherson a major city is saying the fall of St Catharines is a major city

Both rank at 17th most populated in Ukraine and Canada and similar populations.

Even should Kyiv fall over upcoming days / weeks, Ukraine is not capitulating anytime soon. Kharkhiv despite being on the border and highest at risk will continue to have some heavy battling as well

Ukraine has a ton of fight left, and each day that Ukraine fights is another day that Putin's noose is getting tighter in Russia.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Jerusalem Post reports $1M bounty on Putin by a Russian businessman.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699098

[Firebot]

Let's remember that Putin's leaked pre-written propaganda news was declaring the fall of Kyiv on day 2.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1499131565779169287


I'd like to enter a bid of....$13.79. But someone else is going to have to cover the fuel costs.

They should part it out and provide the proceeds to Ukraine.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Firebot

To call Kherson a major city is saying the fall of St Catharines is a major city

Both rank at 17th most populated in Ukraine and Canada and similar populations.

Even should Kyiv fall over upcoming days / weeks, Ukraine is not capitulating anytime soon. Kharkhiv despite being on the border and highest at risk will continue to have some heavy battling as well

Ukraine has a ton of fight left, and each day that Ukraine fights is another day that Putin's noose is getting tighter in Russia.

If the video posted by InternationalVillager is to be taken at face value into why Putin's regime is doing what it is going, Kherson is a major city for the Russians beyond taking Ukraine's population to annex the entire country. It would be a significant strategic point in terms of resolving the blocked fresh water supply from Ukraine to Crimea.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

They should part it out and provide the proceeds to Ukraine.

I think it's probably worth a lot more in one piece. boats aren't something you really re-use parts from. Maybe one of America's super-villians would like it?