03-02-2022, 11:34 AM
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I don't see an issue for Abramovich owning the club. Is he funneling money to Russia through Chelsea? What can he do to harm the west? Invite Boris Johnson to a game and blow the stadium up?
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03-02-2022, 11:45 AM
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#1822
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
I don't see an issue for Abramovich owning the club. Is he funneling money to Russia through Chelsea? What can he do to harm the west? Invite Boris Johnson to a game and blow the stadium up?
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Well the issue is (as it has been for years) that they're effectively laundering money through them and it's "sports-washing".
And don't doubt for a second that sports-washing works. You buy a club, and now you have a legion of fans willing to argue and fight for you because they love the club. Basically as soon as Newcastle was purchased their LGBTQ supporters started making "concessions" about that issue...which is vile, but that's exactly how sports-washing works.
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03-02-2022, 11:52 AM
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#1823
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Originally Posted by Slava
Well the issue is (as it has been for years) that they're effectively laundering money through them and it's "sports-washing".
And don't doubt for a second that sports-washing works. You buy a club, and now you have a legion of fans willing to argue and fight for you because they love the club. Basically as soon as Newcastle was purchased their LGBTQ supporters started making "concessions" about that issue...which is vile, but that's exactly how sports-washing works.
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Money laundering is a given, but what's the difference between a Russian owner compared to an Arab, American, British, or Asian owner?
Abramovich is being singled out only because he is Russian and Russia is doing some bad things right now...
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03-02-2022, 12:00 PM
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#1824
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
Money laundering is a given, but what's the difference between a Russian owner compared to an Arab, American, British, or Asian owner?
Abramovich is being singled out only because he is Russian and Russia is doing some bad things right now...
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No, he's been a target for a long time, because it's effectively blood money. It's definitely not new. Same issue as with the Saudis and Newcastle. The thing is, supporters of the club have less of an issue. When the Saudis bought Newcastle you have people attending the games dressed up as Sheikhs and that kind of thing, which is pretty gross given the reputation of that regime.
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03-02-2022, 12:12 PM
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#1825
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Speaking of the Saudis, wonder if they just straight divest Newcastle to buy Chelsea instead. Surely they would rather have Chelsea even at 10x the cost.
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03-02-2022, 12:30 PM
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#1826
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Speaking of the Saudis, wonder if they just straight divest Newcastle to buy Chelsea instead. Surely they would rather have Chelsea even at 10x the cost.
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Other than the fact I was hoping Chelsea would end up cratered after this, that would be hilarious.
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03-02-2022, 01:30 PM
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#1827
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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"Moreover, I have instructed my team to set up a charitable foundation where all net proceeds from the sale will be donated. The foundation will be for the benefit of all victims of the war in Ukraine. This includes providing critical funds towards the urgent and immediate needs of victims, as well as supporting the long-term work of recovery."
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https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/20...man-abramovich
I mean, hard to be cynical here. Good on him if he follows through with that.
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03-02-2022, 01:35 PM
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#1828
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by devo22
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This is the thing though...I straight up dont trust or believe Abramovich. Never have and likely never will.
So it sounds great...but I'm skeptical.
Old Russian Proverb: "Trust but Verify"
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03-02-2022, 04:10 PM
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#1829
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Speaking of the Saudis, wonder if they just straight divest Newcastle to buy Chelsea instead. Surely they would rather have Chelsea even at 10x the cost.
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Sights set on riches and glory only to have it all snatched away? Would be the most Newcastle way for it to all play out.
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03-02-2022, 04:28 PM
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#1830
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lazypucker
Money laundering is a given, but what's the difference between a Russian owner compared to an Arab, American, British, or Asian owner?
Abramovich is being singled out only because he is Russian and Russia is doing some bad things right now...
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I mean he is being singled out as a Russian Oligarch with ties to Putin's inner-circle who is currently invading a sovereign country.
Also, sort of counter to my point, Abramovich has actually not been sanctioned yet. It doesnt sound the like UK is likely to at this point either. He has actually been singled out as not being sanctioned
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03-02-2022, 05:46 PM
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#1831
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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I gather we're all cheering for Boreham Wood tomorrow?
Not just because they're playing Everton but because thats a fantastic name for just about anything.
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03-03-2022, 01:59 PM
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#1832
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Man Sportsnet is such a brutal service, no FA Cup game today unless you have World. I am so relieved that they didn't land the EPL rights, they are such an overpriced dinosaur in terms of their pricing and the access they provide to soccer. Would have been nice to take a glance at that game over lunch.
Unfortunately the FA Cup draw wasn't great for folks who like the cup drama and unpredictability, the big three all stayed split up and drew div 2 or lower table teams so looks like we'll have another competition with two of Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool in the final. Think everybody who doesn't cheer for those clubs was hoping 2 of them would draw each other
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03-04-2022, 02:38 PM
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#1833
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Can United do Liverpool a solid this weekend??
Spurs then Everton and now United?
Dont let Spurs be the only ones who put up a fight!
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03-04-2022, 04:56 PM
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#1834
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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don't hold your breath lol.
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03-04-2022, 07:17 PM
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#1835
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Originally Posted by devo22
don't hold your breath lol.
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Hah! My expectations are low.
Spurs got a win, Everton got cheated out of a draw, surely United could at least put up a fight!
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03-04-2022, 09:28 PM
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#1836
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Crystal Palace probably has a better chance beating Man City next week than United on Sunday...
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03-05-2022, 01:25 PM
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#1837
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Well...West Ham really made 'em work for that one. Win is a win though.
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03-05-2022, 01:31 PM
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#1838
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Look...I think we all know what needs to happen to make this a great season.
Lets get Liverpool to win the title while Everton get relegated and West Ham steals 4th.
Make it so!
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03-05-2022, 03:32 PM
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#1839
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Locke
Look...I think we all know what needs to happen to make this a great season.
Lets get Liverpool to win the title while Everton get relegated and West Ham steals 4th.
Make it so!
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That sounds fine, but hopefully West Ham is nowhere near 4th. And it'd be great if Chelsea gets sold to a hedge fund or something, who really runs them as a business.
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03-05-2022, 03:40 PM
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#1840
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Slava
That sounds fine, but hopefully West Ham is nowhere near 4th. And it'd be great if Chelsea gets sold to a hedge fund or something, who really runs them as a business.
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All clubs should be run that way. Really, Liverpool has shown that if you run a club well, have good people in charge of management and recruitment that you actually can run Clubs as a business and be successful.
Even Spurs to a degree have shown that as well, although they've faltered in some areas. They're not some Oligarch or Royal's toy.
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