The flames need to put 14 back in circulation and never give Theo a forever a flame or out 14 up in the rafters.
The guy is a complete idiot who thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
If any Canadian tries to push pro Putin info should be publicly shamed. There is a legion of idiots out there who are so convinced that the Liberals/Democrats are some evil pedophiles that they are actually believing the Russian propaganda that has tried to justify this war.
Theo Fleury makes me sick
Edit: this was meant for the Theo thread
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I just took a gander at it today, he's still RT'ing pro Russia stuff, from accounts about them just "restoring order" in Ukraine and aren't targeting civilians. Embarrassing
Is he trying to take the most distasteful stance on every possible topic.. just cause?
Society needs to cancel guys like Theo like it has Russia.
Because Stastny, like a great many of our fellow citizens, had his social media weaponized against him by agents of the Russian government.
Why would Russia bother doing something that we Canadians are clearly willing to do ourselves?
edit: I'm trying to say that many Canadians participated in and supported this extremist occupation. Blaming it on Russia or any other external actor ignores the real actions of real Canadians. There is home-grown extremism in Canada and we need to be honest about that and deal with it.
Why would Russia bother doing something that we Canadians are clearly willing to do ourselves?
edit: I'm trying to say that many Canadians participated in and supported this extremist occupation. Blaming it on Russia or any other external actor ignores the real actions of real Canadians. There is home-grown extremism in Canada and we need to be honest about that and deal with it.
The convoy supporters live in an online bubble. Russian propaganda infiltrated that bubble and stoked their already existent "government is bad" mentality with fake news and lies, making them angrier and more afraid. That rise in emotions can easily be the tipping point from someone simply pressing Like on a twitter post about the convoy to joining it themselves
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Russia provided the DIS-information that Canadians then spread to each other as MIS-information. It was a toxic mix of social media "here say", fake news, made-up sources, heavy-handed opinions, celebrity post sharing, and scapegoating for personal life failures or inconveniences such as a preferred political party not being elected.
And it's not just Trucker Convoy freedoms. It also includes Trumpism, COVID-19, Western separatism, World Economic Forum, the "Great Reset", George Soros, Bill Gates, 5G, and even Russian justification for attacking Ukraine.
Then you have misinformation being used to amplify previously-obscured alt-right voices such around white supremacy, islamophobia, and nationalist causes.
I would wager to say a not-insignificant number of Convoy folks were influenced by Russian troll farms spreading DIS-information.
I recommend following U of A Law professor Tim Caufield on Twitter or attending his talks if you're interested in this "infodemic" and want to listen to an educated, good local resource to help separate fact from fiction.
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Why would Russia bother doing something that we Canadians are clearly willing to do ourselves?
edit: I'm trying to say that many Canadians participated in and supported this extremist occupation. Blaming it on Russia or any other external actor ignores the real actions of real Canadians. There is home-grown extremism in Canada and we need to be honest about that and deal with it.
I get what you're saying and it's absolutely true: we didn't import this, so we need to place a spotlight on homegrown ignorance and hate. However, Ozy does a good job explaining how they're taking that baked in radicalism and escalating and steering it.
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Russia provided the DIS-information that Canadians then spread to each other as MIS-information. It was a toxic mix of social media "here say", fake news, made-up sources, heavy-handed opinions, celebrity post sharing, and scapegoating for personal life failures or inconveniences such as a preferred political party not being elected.
And it's not just Trucker Convoy freedoms. It also includes Trumpism, COVID-19, Western separatism, World Economic Forum, the "Great Reset", George Soros, Bill Gates, 5G, and even Russian justification for attacking Ukraine.
Then you have misinformation being used to amplify previously-obscured alt-right voices such around white supremacy, islamophobia, and nationalist causes.
I would wager to say a not-insignificant number of Convoy folks were influenced by Russian troll farms spreading DIS-information.
I recommend following U of A Law professor Tim Caufield on Twitter or attending his talks if you're interested in this "infodemic" and want to listen to an educated, good local resource to help separate fact from fiction.
I just saw my brother re-post a graphic from the Coutts blockade Restart Facebook group (or some such nonsense) that was calling out the government for advocating restraint for the protests but also giving weapons to Ukraine. It said Canada should be striving for peace, not sending more war to Ukraine so we should stop sending supplies or money and focus on a peaceful diplomatic solution.
I don't know where that really came from, but it read to me like an attempt to start riling people up to stop the Canadian government from providing any real assistance to Ukraine... as if governments around the world haven't been trying any peaceful resolution to this for months and years.
Really felt like a Russian disinformation campaign and I was not surprised when I saw it came from a Convoy facebook group.
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Why would Russia bother doing something that we Canadians are clearly willing to do ourselves?
edit: I'm trying to say that many Canadians participated in and supported this extremist occupation. Blaming it on Russia or any other external actor ignores the real actions of real Canadians. There is home-grown extremism in Canada and we need to be honest about that and deal with it.
If you like just one tweet, video, Facebook post, the algorithm is going to alter what you see.
You might like a post calling Trudeau a muppet. There’s nothing wrong with that.
But the more you interact with that content, the greater the chance you’ll encounter content that has been weaponized by the Russian state against the west.
I do appreciate how crazy this sounds, but look at what’s happened. Russia is locked out of Twitter for one day, and suddenly anti-Trudeau topics don’t crack the top-30 trends for Canadian twitter. Are we to believe these freedom-lovers have decided to fall in line behind the PM during this time of crisis that could still escalate into World War III? That seems unlikely.
None of this is accidental. Russia has been doing this with social media for eight years (probably longer) and they’re really good at it.
A few years back, when I still needed a prescription to buy weed legally, the doctor writing my scrip asked if I’d been experiencing any paranoia. This would’ve been in early 2017.
I said “I think the Russians are ####ing with us” and he laughed.
Well, they are. They have been for a long time.
Boy, do I hate being right.
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The convoy supporters live in an online bubble. Russian propaganda infiltrated that bubble and stoked their already existent "government is bad" mentality with fake news and lies, making them angrier and more afraid. That rise in emotions can easily be the tipping point from someone simply pressing Like on a twitter post about the convoy to joining it themselves
Is it an online bubble though? I don't see too many legitimate news sources on TV anymore or any I would trust as only reporting the facts. Yes online is the biggest issue but its in mainstream TV media now also and its sad.
Is it an online bubble though? I don't see too many legitimate news sources on TV anymore or any I would trust as only reporting the facts. Yes online is the biggest issue but its in mainstream TV media now also and its sad.
Are “tabloids” still a thing? Wonder what the correlation is between fringe social media and tabloid readership
If you like just one tweet, video, Facebook post, the algorithm is going to alter what you see.
You might like a post calling Trudeau a muppet. There’s nothing wrong with that.
But the more you interact with that content, the greater the chance you’ll encounter content that has been weaponized by the Russian state against the west.
I do appreciate how crazy this sounds, but look at what’s happened. Russia is locked out of Twitter for one day, and suddenly anti-Trudeau topics don’t crack the top-30 trends for Canadian twitter. Are we to believe these freedom-lovers have decided to fall in line behind the PM during this time of crisis that could still escalate into World War III? That seems unlikely.
None of this is accidental. Russia has been doing this with social media for eight years (probably longer) and they’re really good at it.
A few years back, when I still needed a prescription to buy weed legally, the doctor writing my scrip asked if I’d been experiencing any paranoia. This would’ve been in early 2017.
I said “I think the Russians are ####ing with us” and he laughed.
Well, they are. They have been for a long time.
Boy, do I hate being right.
Yeah it’s hard to discuss while still being against wild tinfoil hat theories. But it’s actually quite plausible and in my opinion likely. Samantha Bee covered this in 2016:
Hell, at this point I’m starting to think Russian troll farms spurred the flat earth thing, to kick start a wave of “people can believe whatever they want, no matter how absurd” to muddy the waters everywhere.
The interesting thing is seeing how these online echo chambers and influences sort of fall apart when people gather in person. Both in the US and Canada the freedom convoy supporters were expecting significantly higher numbers. There was the odd story of lone protesters in the US showing up to tumble weeds. Even further still, Russian soldiers thinking they were going to be welcomed and praised in Ukraine…
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I only follow one Freedumb convoy type on my social media (client on mine) & he has gone into the pro Russian propaganda as well.
These sad, predictable fools.
I totally believe that social media algorithms are guiding vulnerable people toward extremism. People are clearly escalating from disliking Justin Trudeau to insane conspiracy theories. I also believe that the Russian state is trying to spread dis-information these platforms.
Where I'm skepitcal is that Russia is the primary cause of this rising extremism online. There are people in North America spreading the same level of disinfomation, then the Twitter or Facebook algorithm points the terror-curious further and further down the rabbit-hole. I don't see why it has to be Russia. Is Russia that much more effective at spreading dis-information than Fox News + Joe Rogan + Jordan Peterson?
Does anyone have a source to suggest that Russia is the original source of any of this? Seems like wishful thinking by people who want to blame an outside actor.
I totally believe that social media algorithms are guiding vulnerable people toward extremism. People are clearly escalating from disliking Justin Trudeau to insane conspiracy theories. I also believe that the Russian state is trying to spread dis-information these platforms.
Where I'm skepitcal is that Russia is the primary cause of this rising extremism online. There are people in North America spreading the same level of disinfomation, then the Twitter or Facebook algorithm points the terror-curious further and further down the rabbit-hole. I don't see why it has to be Russia. Is Russia that much more effective at spreading dis-information than Fox News + Joe Rogan + Jordan Peterson?
Does anyone have a source to suggest that Russia is the original source of any of this? Seems like wishful thinking by people who want to blame an outside actor.
I don’t know if “primary” is the best description. I certainly don’t think they are the only reason these things are happening. But I do believe they are capitalizing on it anyway they can.
Russian bots and troll farms certainly contribute to the discourse. But to blame them for extremism in the West is just glossing over very real issues that already exist, and doing that potentially just makes them worse, since we have a boogeyman to blame instead of looking at what's actually causing it.
The 2016 election is a good example. Instead of looking at why a jackass like Trump could win the election and why the working class has started to move a little bit away from Democrats, Clinton et al just beat the drum that Russia stole the election, rather than the fact that they ran a poor campaign and their policies aren't resonating with a fair number of people. If you can't even identify the problem correctly, it's basically impossible to find a solution.
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