Russia invades Ukraine

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm starting to wonder if, the blitzkrrieg having failed, the Russians are now thinking that if they take it slow, the rest of the world will get bored and change the channel. Seems expensive, but I'm not sure why else they're taking their time.

Maybe, although I think they are shocked at what's happened and don't appear to have planned for a plan b.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by starseed

Judging by how many tweets I just saw claiming Chrystia is a secret nazi, I think she is under Putin's skin.

She's been under Russia's skin since she was 20.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by starseed

Judging by how many tweets I just saw claiming Chrystia is a secret nazi, I think she is under Putin's skin.

If you’ve read the book “Red Notice” by Bill Browder she’s in there as well from her time as a journalist. Putin has hated Freeland for a long time, well before she ever got into politics.


And, that book is incredibly interesting, and scary. It’s the core of the Magnitsky laws that have taken form throughout the world, and definitely worth a read.

[surferguy]

Coles notes on the Magnitsky laws? I don’t know what they are.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you still think we will look back and wonder why after being given the answer, you absolutely do not get it.

Even if the eventual end to this is nuclear war (which I doubt), you do not bring that eventuality up any sooner, because between now and then there are viable ways to avoid that outcome. The only thing “playing offence” accomplishes is bringing about the worst case scenario.

I don’t know about you, but let’s be real: there is a LOT worse Russia could do and a lot of lives that are going to be lost before anyone in their right mind thinks “we should have gone nuclear.”

I don’t mean to be rude, but people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop treating this like a movie.

It's a valid debate, no need for that

Edit: debating how to deal with Putin I mean, not bringing nukes on him

[scotty2hotty]

Red Notice is a fantastic book.

If even half of what Browder says is true, it shows the type of evil person that Putin has been for decades.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Coles notes on the Magnitsky laws? I don’t know what they are.

They’re basically laws to freeze assets of people who have been involved in human rights abuses and serious corruption. In these cases, it’s freezing the assets of oligarchs, but also a number of others who were complicit in what happened to an associate of Bill Browder. The laws extend further than to that case, but that’s what the book is about and where the foundation for the laws comes into being.

[stang]

It’s not much but we changed our house lights to show support.

Donated too. Not sure what else we can do.

[White Out 403]

Oh I like this CP trend. Show off your blue and yellow lights!

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm starting to wonder if, the blitzkrrieg having failed, the Russians are now thinking that if they take it slow, the rest of the world will get bored and change the channel. Seems expensive, but I'm not sure why else they're taking their time.

People have lost perspective on how fast "blitzkrieg" really is.

Mechanized attacks are not always as rapid as attackers hope. Two of the quickest movements of armored forces in history—German general Heinz Guderian’s punch through the Ardennes and seizure of Dunkirk in May 1940, and the U.S. and coalition advance from the Kuwait border to Baghdad in 2003—each averagedapproximately 20 miles per day. Movement against a determined foe in winter conditions with limited daylight could reduce that rate of advance significantly.

Or how hard it is to take a giant city with determined defenders.

Urban Combat: While much of the terrain east of the Dnepr River includes rural fields and forests, there are several major urban areas that a Russian mechanized force would have to either take or bypass and besiege. Kiev has almost 3 million inhabitants, Kharkiv has roughly 1.5 million, Odessa has 1 million, Dnipro has almost 1 million, Zaporizhia has 750,000, and even Mariupol has almost 500,000. If defended, these large urban areas could take considerable time and casualties to clear and occupy. In the First Chechen War, it took Russian forces from December 31, 1994, to February 9, 1995, to wrestle control of Grozny, then a city of less than 400,000, from a few thousand Chechen fighters. In the Second Chechen War, the siege of Grozny also took six weeks.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russia...vasion-ukraine

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

If Adidas halts tracks suit shipments Russia will cave

Post of the year!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Two things: first, I had no idea the Ukrainian national anthem was so badass, instantly one of my favorite anthems. Second, this may be my favorite rendition of O Canada that I've ever heard. After listening to it I feel the need to pick up a rifle to defend the motherland

https://streamable.com/i24dr4

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by stang

It’s not much but we changed our house lights to show support.

Donated too. Not sure what else we can do.

Looks good but I'd do 2 blues next to 2 yellows like the flag.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by stang

It’s not much but we changed our house lights to show support.

Donated too. Not sure what else we can do.

Way better than blue and orange.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Two things: first, I had no idea the Ukrainian national anthem was so badass, instantly one of my favorite anthems. Second, this may be my favorite rendition of O Canada that I've ever heard. After listening to it I feel the need to pick up a rifle to defend the motherland

https://streamable.com/i24dr4

I was hoping the Flames would have done something Saturday.

[White Out 403]

[Ducay]

Very interesting thread for foreign policy buffs looking at bi-partisan commentary on some of the missteps that led us to where we are.

Dont get me wrong, Putin is bat-#### insane, but many strategists on both sides had some very grave predictions on this very scenario occurring given some of the NATO moves in the late 1990s and then further posturing since then. Interesting read seeing the predictions and regrets from those directly involved in the decisions.

Full thread:
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/st...91107902062592

https://twitter.com/user/status/1498491107902062592

[Otto-matic]

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Oh I like this CP trend. Show off your blue and yellow lights!

Don't have outside light controle but I've been sporting this for my comp and sporting the Ukrainian flag in rocket league. I'm in the champions leugues.
so high up e sport wise.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Very interesting thread for foreign policy buffs looking at bi-partisan commentary on some of the missteps that led us to where we are.

Dont get me wrong, Putin is bat-#### insane, but many strategists on both sides had some very grave predictions on this very scenario occurring given some of the NATO moves in the late 1990s and then further posturing since then. Interesting read seeing the predictions and regrets from those directly involved in the decisions.

It's not bi-partisan as much as it is apologetic for Russia's insanity. The existential threat is their own imperialism and the inter-generational trauma they caused to pretty much every country they ruled in the past 100 years. These talking heads offer no insight as to why all of these European post-Soviet and post-Warsaw Pact countries used NATO as a shoulder to cry on as soon as they became free. With the exception of Belarus I guess, which is objectively weird and broken.

All of their arguments are that NATO should not expand because Russia is an insecure hyper nationalist state that we should tip toe around. Sorry, but Russia should get to decide whether or not their neighbours deserve protection from them. NATO has never shown an interest on taking Russian land, but Russia has a long history of taking countries that are in NATO. Bowing to their whims shouldn't be the goal.