2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The buyout is a legitimate option. its 4m in cap savings when their top three offensive producers are getting a raise.

Not to mention that Brower's dead cap is finally off the books next season.(someone else who wore an A the year before his buyout).

That said, the team is better with Monahan on it, the only real issue is his contract. On the open market he could easily sign for 4M. Which is closer to where his contract should be.

I don't think a buyout or retained salary transaction will be necessary, but if you acknowledge that he could have a ~4M UFA value, then you could just trade him at 2.375 retained (the BO year 1 hit) and skip the 2nd year BO hit.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't think a buyout or retained salary transaction will be necessary, but if you acknowledge that he could have a ~4M UFA value, then you could just trade him at 2.375 retained (the BO year 1 hit) and skip the 2nd year BO hit.

True. The only issue is then you are spending on a replacement 3C - let’s say $3M. Now you are practically spending $5.375 on that spot, so the question is are you getting any value for that $1M savings.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't think a buyout or retained salary transaction will be necessary, but if you acknowledge that he could have a ~4M UFA value, then you could just trade him at 2.375 retained (the BO year 1 hit) and skip the 2nd year BO hit.

This is what I don't understand about the crowd that thinks Monahan has negative value or is a buyout candidate. If you retain $2.375 on that contract, Monahan would bring back a 1st+.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This is what I don't understand about the crowd that thinks Monahan has negative value or is a buyout candidate. If you retain $2.375 on that contract, Monahan would bring back a 1st+.

Giving up a 1st+ for a $4 million Center on pace for 12-13 goals, of which the majority are coming on a PP unit that he would not be a part of on most other teams?

Maybe if he was a shut down guy. Which he isn't at all.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Giving up a 1st+ for a $4 million Center on pace for 12-13 goals, of which the majority are coming on a PP unit that he would not be a part of on most other teams?

Maybe if he was a shut down guy. Which he isn't at all.

I must be watching completely different games than you guys, if you think that Monahan has been playing badly. He had a serious injury and finally seems fully recovered. I expect the points to come, now that he has NHL calibre wingers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I must be watching completely different games than you guys, if you think that Monahan has been playing badly. He had a serious injury and finally seems fully recovered. I expect the points to come, now that he has NHL calibre wingers.

I think he’s coming along, his recovery ahs been bumpy. His shot seems better - his goal a couple games ago was vintage. His shot last game had velocity, but was a little off target. He had a decent defensive game and on PP2 set up a number of good chances which were missed. His stamina seems off - it has all season.

[Jay Random]

If, as the rumour mill reports, Monahan had to learn a whole new skating stride to compensate for his hip surgery, it's no wonder his stamina seems off. His muscles simply aren't accustomed to their new jobs.

[howard_the_duck]

I think if the Flames could move Monahan they would. Even Sutter’s comments about 8 forwards carrying the mail, that was a direct shot at Monahan imo.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think if the Flames could move Monahan they would. Even Sutter’s comments about 8 forwards carrying the mail, that was a direct shot at Monahan imo.

Well Monahan is 7th in scoring among forwards. So I am curious what 8 you think he was referring to?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think if the Flames could move Monahan they would. Even Sutter’s comments about 8 forwards carrying the mail, that was a direct shot at Monahan imo.

It was a direct shot at Dube...the guy he scratched for the game.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think if the Flames could move Monahan they would. Even Sutter’s comments about 8 forwards carrying the mail, that was a direct shot at Monahan imo.

I imagine he's happy with:

1. Gaudreau
2. Tkachuk
3. Lindholm
4. Mangiapane
5. Coleman
6. Lucic

Has scratched and made explicit comments about Ruzicka and Dube, and Richardson and Ritchie have been scratched for a while, so they are all automatically in the dog house.

That leaves Toffoli, Monahan, Backlund, and Lewis. He has made several comments this season that Backlund needs to be better, or that he needs to continue to produce. He has made consistently positive comments on Lewis' performance. Of the two remaining, he hasn't made many public comments about their recent on-ice performance, but it's tough to imagine a coach would be picking Monahan over Toffoli.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I imagine he's happy with:

1. Gaudreau
2. Tkachuk
3. Lindholm
4. Mangiapane
5. Coleman
6. Lucic

Has scratched and made explicit comments about Ruzicka and Dube, and Richardson and Ritchie have been scratched for a while, so they are all automatically in the dog house.

That leaves Toffoli, Monahan, Backlund, and Lewis. He has made several comments this season that Backlund needs to be better, or that he needs to continue to produce. He has made consistently positive comments on Lewis' performance. Of the two remaining, he hasn't made many public comments about their recent on-ice performance, but it's tough to imagine a coach would be picking Monahan over Toffoli.

IIRC he said “we had 8 forwards carrying the mail” and was referring to the time before Toffoli was acquired. I’m also not sure if you can include Lucic in that list. He’s been mediocre for a fair bit lately (and I love Lucic). I’m guessing it was the top nine minus one.

Then again, Sutter is always cryptic. Was he talking scoring, suppression, effort or what?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

IIRC he said “we had 8 forwards carrying the mail” and was referring to the time before Toffoli was acquired. I’m also not sure if you can include Lucic in that list. He’s been mediocre for a fair bit lately (and I love Lucic). I’m guessing it was the top nine minus one.

Then again, Sutter is always cryptic. Was he talking scoring, suppression, effort or what?

The question was about the 4th line giving the team energy (after the last game), and he said that you can't be a 2 and a half line team, eventually said 8 forwards.

So it very well could have been a shot at Dube in hindsight, though Dube has been demoted off that line for a week now. My interpretation was a shot at Monahan, as these are the 8 forwards that Sutter knows exactly what he gets every night IMO:

Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Coleman
Mangiapane
Lucic
Toffoli

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The question was about the 4th line giving the team energy (after the last game), and he said that you can't be a 2 and a half line team, eventually said 8 forwards.

So it very well could have been a shot at Dube in hindsight, though Dube has been demoted off that line for a week now. My interpretation was a shot at Monahan, as these are the 8 forwards that Sutter knows exactly what he gets every night IMO:

Gaudreau
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Backlund
Coleman
Mangiapane
Lucic
Toffoli

As I said, Lucic hasn’t been himself for a few weeks now. But that doesn’t necessarily eliminate Monahan.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a direct shot at Dube...the guy he scratched for the game.

Could very well be, though he's been off the line for a week.

[GioforPM]

Sutter probably said 2.5 so more than half the team thinks “is it me?”

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think if the Flames could move Monahan they would. Even Sutter’s comments about 8 forwards carrying the mail, that was a direct shot at Monahan imo.

Moving him is one thing...replacing/upgrading him is another. As it is, we're an injury away from slotting Dubé/Ruzicka/Richardson at 3C.

Playoff teams would only be interested with retention, which makes no sense at this stage. I think a number of non-playoff teams would be interested, but moreso in the off-season.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter probably said 2.5 so more than half the team thinks “is it me?”

Agreed!

Sutter applying negative motivation....leaving lots of players wondering who Darryl was talking out.

[Monahammer]

I wonder if we could snag Debrusk for Dube + Valimaki

Debrusk-Monahan-Toffoli would be pretty interesting imo.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Moving him is one thing...replacing/upgrading him is another. As it is, we're an injury away from slotting Dubé/Ruzicka/Richardson at 3C.

Playoff teams would only be interested with retention, which makes no sense at this stage. I think a number of non-playoff teams would be interested, but moreso in the off-season.

At some point in time though Ruzicka will be on our third line.

Maybe not this year but if you look at his trajectory, it's not absurd to think that next year he would be more than capable to flourish in that role.

At some point in time we cannot afford to pay our third line centre 6.375 million. We already have Looch making big money and having these contracts in the bottom 6 restricts our ability to add true top 6/top 4 talent.

Think of it this way, without Looch and Monahan the flames could sign everyone and even maybe swing at Forsberg this summer. It's crazy how much cap space we could save in having a cheaper bottom 6.