Russia invades Ukraine

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Chingas

I don't know the details of what has been happening in the Donbass region at all. Has there really been constant conflict this whole time? Has it been a battleground for 8 years yet I'm just learning about it now? Or is it fabricated bull#### from Putin? Is there anything here?

Yeah, there has been fighting in that region on and off over that whole period, with an estimated 14K people killed (including 3-4K civilians) and 1-2 million people displaced. So not the scale of fighting that's happening now by any means, but there has been pretty consistent conflict in that area over the last 8 years. And living conditions have been pretty bad for residents at times (no water or electricity for periods of time).

But that doesn't mean Russia's one-sided characterization of it is at all correct. Basically it started with the 2014 Ukrainian revolution where separatist groups in the region began to protest the new government which eventually turned into an armed conflict. Since then, Russian-backed insurgents have been fighting the Ukrainian army and various Ukrainian militias on and off (I think there have been something like 30 different ceasefires, none of which have held).

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The reality is that everyone's hand is forced here. Zelenskyy can't agree to give up any significant Ukrainian territory. Putin cannot just pack up the troops and go home tail between his legs, that would be ruinous for him. Even if he did, the rest of the world couldn't simply reverse the sanctions and military buildup that have resulted, he invaded a sovereign nation and killed civilians for no justifiable reason. The horse has left the barn.

I'd like to think that if they just ceded everything south of the Dnieper from Zaporizhzhia east that would do it, because I'd think that would probably do it from Putin's side of things, but I really doubt Zelenskyy is even open to considering that.

Eff that. Should be zero gains from this sort of action. All borders should be returned to pre-2014. (ie return Crimea. Get hanged.)

The only people that can stop this without total NATO v Russia war is the Russian people, military and "business" leaders overthrowing Putin before he does something worse.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Ukraine will never agree to demilitarization, or whatever fabrication 'denazification' means.

Those are complete non-starters.

The Russian ambassador to the UN paired denazification with de-genocide. Very dangerous words to put together.

[Minnie]

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Doesn't open for me. Could be that Twitter is banned now.

Are you on a computer or mobile? I find on Tapatalk (mobile app) that twitter links never work.

But they work fine on computer (or simply web based mobile).

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Tough to say no. The Ukrainian people are an inspiration and are currently fighting hard enough to give everyone else in Europe (and globally) the freedom to stand back and provide support instead of blood.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Are those guys brutes, or is Zelenskyy just tiny? LoL.

I pictured him being like Chara's size.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Pointman

"Denazification and demilitarization" are official objectives of Putin's offensive. Those will be put in any requests and whatever the outcome will be, Putin would declare that those are achieved. His real demands are Crimea and not joining NATO.

All the more reason to join NATO.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are those guys brutes, or is Zelenskyy just tiny? LoL.

I pictured him being like Chara's size.

Zelenskyy is pretty small I think.

But also those guys are huge.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are those guys brutes, or is Zelenskyy just tiny? LoL.

I pictured him being like Chara's size.

Combination of both, think he's around Gaudreau's size

[playmaker]

Speaking of 'denazification' of the Ukrainian state, Zelenskiy debunked this myth already - it's a complete nonsense:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...mir-putin-war/

[devo22]

he's probably taller, but his massive balls drag him down.

[CroFlames]

He's huge where it counts though.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are those guys brutes, or is Zelenskyy just tiny? LoL.

I pictured him being like Chara's size.

Those two guys are actually his balls

[Coach]

Not to degrade the conflict, but is Zelenskyy the sexiest man alive? I bet he's better at hockey than Putin too.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are those guys brutes, or is Zelenskyy just tiny? LoL.

I pictured him being like Chara's size.

He's 5'7

Putin is also 5'7



Difference is Zelensky is fighting with the might of a 7 foot giant while Putin has tiny man syndrome.

[1qqaaz]

Vitali Klitschko, the Mayor of Kyiv, is 6'7.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Coach

Not to degrade the conflict, but is Zelenskyy the sexiest man alive? I bet he's better at hockey than Putin too.

My wife showed me this tweet this morning. Not sure how to feel

https://twitter.com/user/status/1498037195399127043

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by playmaker

Originally Posted by Murph

I dunno, could be shopped…

Maybe not.

I have a wicked picture of me laying down right next to a similar looking mortar round.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I know we're all on Team Ukraine at the moment, but in the big picture this is still not a country that the EU/NATO should need or want in their ranks. It has been, and remains, a highly corrupt and broken nation full of the same type of a-holes like in Russia (perhaps even worse) and where any legitimate capital gets quickly syphoned off into a murky black hole. It would be nothing but a costly, and potentially very dangerous headache. I think we all need to keep in mind that just because Russia is bad, it doesn't mean that Ukraine is necessarily "good".