Russia invades Ukraine

[TKB]

Originally Posted by devo22

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497882230735179782

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497882331566292992

Scholz also said they plan to build two LNG terminals as soon as possible. This is massive.

I wish Canada would follow suite in regards to rearming the military.

[PeteMoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497921880795369474

Yeah.. Let's hope someone stops him before he goes full crazy.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497921880795369474

Yeah.. Let's hope someone stops him before he goes full crazy.

Confirmed by Russian media. Putin says the reason for setting nukes on high alert is because high-ranked leaders of NATO countries are talking about Russia in intimidating and aggressive way

[Huntingwhale]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497930668906475528

BBC reporting this too. Not sure how this will go. But we need something good to come from this.

[PeteMoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497930259425021952

Peace talks agreed to. Sad we have to depend on the Belarus president to be the adult for the Russian side.

[Max Cow Disease]

Early murmurings that Chuck Norris has auditioned for the role of Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s right nut in an upcoming feature film.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Confirmed by Russian media. Putin says the reason for setting nukes on high alert is because high-ranked leaders of NATO countries are talking about Russia in intimidating and aggressive way

Well, the real reason he’s doing this is because the economic sanctions that are being taken are devastating. They’re very much the equivalent of an atomic bomb for them economically. Basically, Russia will have no access to other currencies, and no way to access their foreign reserves. If those conditions persist, it could cause their economy to collapse completely.

And yes, the Russians have gold. But who do you sell that to? The only logical answer is China. So you load up the railroad to get the gold to the Chinese (a feat in itself considering the security measures and such), and they pay you a discounted rate because you’re a forced seller, and with what? Probably Renminbi. Russia has an enormous problem here. The Russian economy buys things from everywhere else. They can’t do that without Euros/USD, etc.

I think the “west” should be very careful though. They should be giving Russia some access to its money and not just “drop the bomb”. You want to slowly starve the economy because crushing them will cause the escalation we seem to be seeing today. That’s scary.

It’s extremely interesting though. This is the new warfare. Decades ago it was thousands of soldiers rushing in and today it’s basically a flick of a switch.

[devo22]

wow I didn't expect him to be that desperate and play the nuclear card this early. Grim.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by TKB

I wish Canada would follow suite in regards to rearming the military.

Or even to build LNG terminals as quickly as possible.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Passed on some messages of love and support from my friends and family. Also told her that the silly hockey site I'm always on (aka CP) has some messages of support and she got a good chuckle out of that. She still has no idea why I spend so much time here...but we had a good laugh about that. So thank you all for the PMs and messages here.

Glad to hear this, HW but so sorry to hear about her cousin. Really hope this whole f***ing thing is resolved peacefully soon. When it does hopefully she and her family become Flames fans and Calgarypuck posters.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, the real reason he’s doing this is because the economic sanctions that are being taken are devastating. They’re very much the equivalent of an atomic bomb for them economically. Basically, Russia will have no access to other currencies, and no way to access their foreign reserves. If those conditions persist, it could cause their economy to collapse completely.

And yes, the Russians have gold. But who do you sell that to? The only logical answer is China. So you load up the railroad to get the gold to the Chinese (a feat in itself considering the security measures and such), and they pay you a discounted rate because you’re a forced seller, and with what? Probably Renminbi. Russia has an enormous problem here. The Russian economy buys things from everywhere else. They can’t do that without Euros/USD, etc.

I think the “west” should be very careful though. They should be giving Russia some access to its money and not just “drop the bomb”. You want to slowly starve the economy because crushing them will cause the escalation we seem to be seeing today. That’s scary.

It’s extremely interesting though. This is the new warfare. Decades ago it was thousands of soldiers rushing in and today it’s basically a flick of a switch.

I disagree.
For once they had to hit Russia hard and not let them just take what they want degree by degree.
Russia is doing what they're doing regardless.
Not the time to be weak but time to hit them with whatever hammers you have and not give Russia the time to complete their plan.

[Southside]

Yep, it's time to choke Russia. Putin needs to learn a hard lesson.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1497930259425021952

Peace talks agreed to. Sad we have to depend on the Belarus president to be the adult for the Russian side.

Unlikely that IF any talks actually occur, it will be Lukashenko hosting them, even if they take place there.

Israel will probably end up being the mediator at this point.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Southside

Yep, it's time to choke Russia. Putin needs to learn a hard lesson.

The West needs to stand up to him but also needs to be cautious and calculated. Part of the reason this started in the first place is because of the fragile Russian collective ego that has been battered for several decades. If the actions of the West embarrass and mock Russia and Russians it will perpetuate the Cold War mentality and will result in another Putin (or worse).

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by devo22

Scholz also said they plan to build two LNG terminals as soon as possible. This is massive.

I don't know if you are a history buff but...I'm not sure we should be celebrating Germany re-arming like that.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I don't know if you are a history buff but...I'm not sure we should be celebrating Germany re-arming like that.

I hope this is tongue in cheek as today's Germany is not the country or government of 90 years ago.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

The West needs to stand up to him but also needs to be cautious and calculated. Part of the reason this started in the first place is because of the fragile Russian collective ego that has been battered for several decades. If the actions of the West embarrass and mock Russia and Russians it will perpetuate the Cold War mentality and will result in another Putin (or worse).

How this goes depends massively on what Russia does.

Anyone who forcibly replaces Putin and is willing to admit that what Russia did was wrong, is willing to scapegoat some generals maybe as "the bad leaders", they would instantly get a ton of goodwill and praise.

IF Russia would back down quickly and replace Putin, the Russians would even be given tons of kudos to helping stop the war before it got totally out of hand.

The longer they drag this on, the harder it will be string together a narrative that it was just a few bad apples at the top instead of a more or less collective action.

There's already been stories that many Russians living abroad feel watched and intimidated by sudden change of behaviour in the people around them. In many countries there are demands for driving every Russian citizen out of the country, and that sort of thing can easily create generational animosity.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Itse

How this goes depends massively on what Russia does.

Anyone who forcibly replaces Putin and is willing to admit that what Russia did was wrong, is willing to scapegoat some generals maybe as "the bad leaders", they would instantly get a ton of goodwill and praise.

IF Russia would back down quickly and replace Putin, the Russians would even be given tons of kudos to helping stop the war before it got totally out of hand.

The longer they drag this on, the harder it will be string together a narrative that it was just a few bad apples at the top instead of a more or less collective action.

There's already been stories that many Russians living abroad feel watched and intimidated by sudden change of behaviour in the people around them. In many countries there are demands for driving every Russian citizen out of the country, and that sort of thing can easily create generational animosity.

While I wasn't alive back then, I don't recall Germans as a nation receiving much hate after WW2. Or WW1 for that matter.

[Roof-Daddy]

This is obviously a very delicate situation.

While you want Russia to suffer defeat in embarrassing fashion for this atrocity they are committing, and you want to squeeze them as hard as possible, at the same time there is nothing scarier than having a desperate, vengeful madman with a nuclear arsenal under his thumb.

You can't let Russia and Putin win, but at the same time losing might push him over the edge.

This really needs to be stopped from within, by the people around him.

[surferguy]

There is no way there wasn’t a huge amount of animosity towards Germany after the wars.