Russia invades Ukraine

[Ozy_Flame]

The fall of Mariupol would indicate to me that Russia will aim to seize the entire Ukrainian access to the Sea of Azov. They no doubt want a direct land bridge there from Rostov-on-Don.

If that happens, they will have the entire Sea of Azov within their control.

[calumniate]

I guess climate change is on the backburner here.. man we're f'd

Also Huntingwhale - I can't imagine what you're going through. Thanks for being so transparent you're in our thoughts!

[zamler]

The world has completely failed the people of Ukraine.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think Trump is a moron on significant levels but I still don't think that the UN or the global community has really done anything of significance with regarding to this.

You don't seem to understand what the UN is. It's not an alliance of like-minded countries. It's not a club that rewards good behaviour with membership. It's a forum for diplomacy, that happens to occasionally get stuff done.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by zamler

The world has completely failed the people of Ukraine.

How?

[FlameOn]

MSNBC: US expels Russian diplomat. See I got it right this time and didn't sleepy type.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496926706757619725

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by peter12

How?

By not maintaining the balance of military power probably.

Taiwan will be absorbed by China next.

[JoseCuervo]

#BREAKING: Gostomol airfield reportedly is recaptured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with Russian landing force destroyed.

Locals still report fighting in the area


https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews...C-_YrJlsYpAAAA

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What an incredibly stupid post.

Why is it stupid. The UN is pretty much useless outside of social engineering projects in the western developed countries.

If I was a dictator I’d be going to town. Who’s going to actually do anything these days?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

#BREAKING: Gostomol airfield reportedly is recaptured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with Russian landing force destroyed.

Locals still report fighting in the area


https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews...C-_YrJlsYpAAAA

Tweet is down, but this would be significant.

[Locke]

Somewhere in Ukraine there was someone last night who was watching 'Red Dawn' for the first time...

Its basically a Documentary now...

[GirlySports]

When does DC expel Ovechkin?

[JoseCuervo]

I guess my point is let’s not think this is over. It is going to an a long, bloody, and likely impossible struggle, but the Ukrainian people seem up for it.

[FlameOn]

Ukraine claiming Russian transport aircraft inbound to set up a puppet government. Will be difficult for them to land if the airport has been retaken by Ukrainian forces.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496933088034627584

Meanwhile Isreali Broadcaster Corporation say the Germans and Italians are blocking SWIFT sanctions against Russia. Embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496910703944470530

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Goriders

By not maintaining the balance of military power probably.

Taiwan will be absorbed by China next.

Bin Laden brought down the US with 4 airliners, everything stems from that

[peter12]

Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

I guess my point is let’s not think this is over. It is going to an a long, bloody, and likely impossible struggle, but the Ukrainian people seem up for it.

I think it's going to be over by Sunday, myself.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Itse

I get a feeling people here are massively underestimating the impact this has had on the atmosphere in the large part of Europe that's bordering Russia.

The opening salvo in public opinion has been stuff like "nationalize all Russian assets" and "deport all Russians". That's just day 1 stuff, and it's going to get a lot uglier, especially in places with a more recent grievances than what Finland has. I grieve for Russian civilians, it's going to be hard.

The popular view is that Ukraine is just first to get attacked, if Putin is not stopped, and possibly even if Putin is replaced. People are quoting poetry going back more than a hundred years warning never to trust Russia. Not trusting Russia is the natural state for much of Europe anyway, it's generational memory. So many countries have national heroes who fought Russia and libraries full of art about how awful it was under Russian rule.

There might have been a gap in this experience with a generation or two growing up without that constant fear, a hope that we might have entered a new more civilized era, but the idea has always been somewhere in the back of our heads, that discomfort in hearing that ####ing anthem. Now it's out again, and frankly the hate comes as easy as breathing.

Every Russian is suspect, every asset is questionable, today and tomorrow, no matter what happens in Ukraine. We forgot that for a second, we won't again in a generation. We might not want to fight that enemy, there might be times when we even co-operate, but they will remain our enemy, even in peacetime, even if we smile politely.

Helping Ukraine is not a matter of solidarity, it's plain self interest. Every Russian soldier that dies in Ukraine is one less to threaten everyone else later.

There's just no coming back from this, not unless Russians topple Putin, and even then we would be extremely suspicious of the next guy, and the next.

Because we have been reminded of what has always been true; you can never trust Russia.

Excellent post! One thing that people don't understand is that under Putin, Russia has swinging **** syndrome rightfully or wrongfully on a whole host of issues. There is a bravado to Russia.

They know their influence on energy, on their significant industries, their people and how how they travel. Major European cities and countries have significant business dealings with Russian clients and tourists who spend massive amounts of money. They have parked billions and billions of dollars in single cities like London and have massive influence in other countries. You literally go to places like Cyprus and you actually think you are in Russia with their influence. It's like something you have never seen before!

They are a smaller, less powerful version of America in some ways. They show up, park their butts down and do what they want.

You are correct and way too many people aren't thinking logically about this. The notion from Putin is if you aren't going to give, we are going to take. End of story

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

When does DC expel Ovechkin?

I thought of this as a joke, but i wonder if something like this could happen? Revoke visa? Deportation??

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think it's going to be over by Sunday, myself.

If nothing else Russia might look to secure their gains and dig in.

I hope that by Sunday a large number of Russian service personnel are dead or wounded.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SebC

You don't seem to understand what the UN is. It's not an alliance of like-minded countries. It's not a club that rewards good behaviour with membership. It's a forum for diplomacy, that happens to occasionally get stuff done.

The UN was formed after WW2 to guard against future conflicts.

Since there haven’t been many large scale wars it has morphed into a self serving bureaucracy. It’s more concerned with sustainable development and social engineering now.

Zero threat to a dictator threatening its neighbour. NATO is probably the same.