02-24-2022, 08:02 AM
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#161
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Originally Posted by Pointman
Invading Ukraine will not make his legacy any "great", but the opposite. Everyone in Russia is shocked at this.
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How can they be shocked? This has been talked about for months, I can only imagine it's been an even more urgent topic of conversation in Russia unless it's been very effectively suppressed.
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Originally Posted by Pointman
After this, we will most definitely try to get the ability to choose leadership back
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Good luck with that.
Hey, look, I managed to be sarcastic and earnest at the same time.
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02-24-2022, 08:06 AM
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#162
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameOn
Unless Putin was in a weaker position domestically than he was letting on at home and now is going to use to the war as an excuse to round up and purge remaining dissenting opposition elements.
Revolutions usually coalesce around existing politic leaders and elements. I'd expect any Navalny sympathizers to get rounded up and arrested shortly. After that, who do anti-Putin Russians rally around? Then maybe further Russian constitutional and government restructuring.
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He didn't need a war, let alone such a major one to purge. He's been doing it for years without any wars. The reason why Russians were fine with having no politics was because of a fairly good life they had. Now we are afraid he's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Ahab who is pursuing his own mad goals, which are not at all aligned with goals of people. Putin no longer provides any predictability and quality of life is likely to go down as well. Not to mention our sons dying. Bombing Kyiv is beyond comprehension. It's like if UK would bomb Dublin.
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02-24-2022, 08:07 AM
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#163
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Spartanville
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Originally Posted by tony-soprano
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Why wasn't this in place already?
ie. You do x. y will automatically be the consequences.
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02-24-2022, 08:08 AM
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#164
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by FlameOn
Why not take them off Bloomberg proper instead of some rando unaccredited entrepreneur account then?
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$30k annual subscription cost
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02-24-2022, 08:08 AM
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#165
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
How can they be shocked? This has been talked about for months, I can only imagine it's been an even more urgent topic of conversation in Russia unless it's been very effectively suppressed.
Good luck with that.
Hey, look, I managed to be sarcastic and earnest at the same time.
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It's been talked about for months, but few actually believed he would go for this. Most thought it's going to be Crimea 2.0
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02-24-2022, 08:09 AM
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#166
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointman
This war absolutely destroys his domestic position. Russians are absolutely shocked at this. Russians basically gave up their rights to vote and such in return for stability and fairly rich life. Like it's ok to not be able to chose a president as long, as you can spend honeymoon on Maldives (like I did). After this, we will most definitely try to get the ability to choose leadership back
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Jesus…
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02-24-2022, 08:12 AM
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#167
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Lifetime Suspension
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It'll never happen because we're (the west) spineless but we need to restrict Russia's SWIFT access and start seizing property and assets of Russian oligarchs
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02-24-2022, 08:13 AM
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#168
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointman
He didn't need a war, let alone such a major one to purge. He's been doing it for years without any wars. The reason why Russians were fine with having no politics was because of a fairly good life they had. Now we are afraid he's https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Ahab who is pursuing his own mad goals, which are not at all aligned with goals of people. Putin no longer provides any predictability and quality of life is likely to go down as well. Not to mention our sons dying. Bombing Kyiv is beyond comprehension. It's like if UK would bomb Dublin. |
Well if it's not domestic at all I guess we wait for him to declare himself the Supreme Soviet. The Russian people are gonna suffer for this I guess, senility?
His entire inner circle has gotta be just yes-men at this point if it ended up at this. I can't see what the goals are at all other than ego or satiating some kind of perceived slight in a paranoid mind.
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02-24-2022, 08:15 AM
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#169
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Russian celebreties are condemning the war in Twitter. This won't help much of course, but it does take courage to do it
https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon...543a7e22ff%2F0
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02-24-2022, 08:20 AM
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#170
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Calgary
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02-24-2022, 08:24 AM
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#171
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Originally Posted by FlameOn
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Dirty bombs? Scorched earth?
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02-24-2022, 08:31 AM
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#173
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Scoring Winger
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ssia-Kiev.html
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Ukraine has sent troops to guard against any Russian incursion on the Chernobyl exclusion zone, with the highly radioactive site believed to be a potential entry point for Kremlin aggressors.
Despite the site in northern Ukraine still being radioactive and mainly harbouring ghost towns and fallow fields, the Chernobyl exclusion zone is believed to be at risk of being conquered, reports The New York Times.
This is because the shortest path from Russia to Kiev would take Putin's troops through the isolated zone.
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02-24-2022, 08:34 AM
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#174
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Question for people with more knowledge about the equipment involved: given the rate at which this is all taking place, is it possible for the Ukrainian defence forces to effectively cede most of their territory and try to just protect a couple of smaller areas (or even just Kiev) and make this a lengthier and more painful process?
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02-24-2022, 08:35 AM
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#175
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Lifetime Suspension
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Meet the new sanctions just as effective as the old ones.
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02-24-2022, 08:42 AM
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#176
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This will be a short and limited war. Analysts say it could take up to 700k troops to fully occupy and pacify a hostile Ukraine. And Putin isn’t as secure at home as we might think - if polls are to be believed only 32 per cent of Russians trust him, and the biggest fear of tyrants is always a domestic revolt.
Short-term objective (weeks): The destruction of conventional Ukraine forces and occupation of Eastern Ukraine territory.
Mid-term objective (months): Firm control of the Black Sea corridor connecting Russia to the Crimea, and the establishment of a client regime in the territory. This achieves the strategic objectives of 1) connecting the Crimea to Russia by land, and 2) creating a buffer between Ukraine / the West and Russia’s vital resources in the Caucasus.
Long-term objective (years): Establish client provinces within Ukraine and then force a new constitution on the country giving those provinces a veto on key decisions like joining NATO.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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02-24-2022, 08:44 AM
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#177
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Lifetime Suspension
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You really think Putin could be ousted in an election?
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02-24-2022, 08:47 AM
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#178
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Calgary
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02-24-2022, 08:51 AM
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#180
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Question for people with more knowledge about the equipment involved: given the rate at which this is all taking place, is it possible for the Ukrainian defence forces to effectively cede most of their territory and try to just protect a couple of smaller areas (or even just Kiev) and make this a lengthier and more painful process?
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It really depends on the end goal in my opinion. If Russia indeed controls, or will control the air, you probably don't want to concentrate all your forces in one region. Then you end up with a bunch of sitting ducks, and uncertain supply lines.
Usually when two uneven forces like that clash, the side without the air support prefers short skirmishes and mobile troops. Eventually if most of the heavier equipment is destroyed the war slides into guerilla war within the urban regions.
So long story short, it would seem counter productive to just consolidate all the defensive resources on Kiev.
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